Non monk Star trower builds

[Kentpb]

Ok so next life I want to TR my star thrower in to a non monk version & would like some input from all you fellow builders out there right now I am running the build below. Note this build was before they "fixed" shadow dodge so I had to redo enhancements. If I go back I would only go 2 rouge and 6 monk get free Adept and then get quicken.

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Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Male
(4 Monk \ 4 Rogue \ 12 Wizard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 323
Spell Points: 1437 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 25
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength              8                  8                    8
Dexterity            20                 33                   36
Constitution         13                 16                   18
Intelligence         14                 17                   17
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             10                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               9                 17                   27
Bluff                 0                  0                    8
Concentration         3                 24                   33
Diplomacy             0                  0                    8
Disable Device        6                 26                   34
Haggle                0                  0                    8
Heal                  1                  8                   16
Hide                  5                 13                   21
Intimidate            0                  0                    9
Jump                  3                  4                   14
Listen               -1                  0                   10
Move Silently         5                 13                   21
Open Lock             9                 26                   34
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  3                   11
Search                6                 26                   36
Spellcraft            4                  7                   16
Spot                  3                  4                   14
Swim                 -1                 -1                    7
Tumble                n/a              n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      4                  4                   12

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+7)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Mage Armor


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Wraith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Improved Shrouding (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Acid (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Dexterity (Rank 1)

I run in Fury of the Wild
I twist
- dex +1
- dex +1
- Lith
Have a +6 dex tome not in Character planer yet so add that to all my builds
My 4 non monk builds I am posting below for ease of critiquing each. I am leaning to the ones that go tier 5 mec & swash but am posting all maybe I am missing something.

Please post any other non monk star thrower builds you have here as well.

[Kentpb]

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Level 28 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(12 Rogue \ 8 Bard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 259 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 30
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength              6                  6                    6
Dexterity            20                 32                   36
Constitution         12                 15                   15
Intelligence         15                 18                   18
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               5                 13                   23
Bluff                 2                  2                   11
Concentration         1                  2                   10
Diplomacy             2                  2                   10
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                  n/a
Haggle                2                  2                   10
Heal                 -1                  0                    8
Hide                  5                 13                   25
Intimidate            2                  2                   10
Jump                 -2                 -2                    9
Listen               -1                  0                   10
Move Silently         5                 13                   23
Open Lock             n/a              n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                  n/a
Repair                2                  4                   12
Search                2                  4                   12
Spellcraft            2                  4                   12
Spot                 -1                  0                    8
Swim                 -2                 -2                    7
Tumble                n/a              n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                  n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Shuriken Expertise


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Confidence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Swashbuckling (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Uncanny Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Limber Up (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dashing Scoundrel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dexterity (Rank 1)

34 AP in Mceh tree
- Mechanical Reloader
- Rapid fire
- +2 dex
10 AP in Harper tree
-know the Angles
- +1 dex
ED run in Fury of the Wild
Twist
- Rejuvenation Cocoon
- Extra Action Boost
- Lithe

[Kentpb]

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Level 28 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 4 Rogue \ 14 Bard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 299
Spell Points: 587 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 30
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength              6                  6                    6
Dexterity            20                 34                   38
Constitution         12                 15                   15
Intelligence         15                 18                   18
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               5                 14                   25
Bluff                 2                  2                   11
Concentration         1                  2                   10
Diplomacy             2                  2                   10
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                  n/a
Haggle                2                  2                   10
Heal                 -1                  0                    8
Hide                  5                 14                   26
Intimidate            2                  2                   10
Jump                 -2                 -2                    9
Listen               -1                  0                   10
Move Silently         5                 14                   24
Open Lock             n/a              n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                  n/a
Repair                2                  4                   12
Search                2                  4                   12
Spellcraft            2                  4                   12
Spot                 -1                  0                    8
Swim                 -2                 -2                    8
Tumble                n/a              n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                  n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Shuriken Expertise


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Nimble Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Confidence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Swashbuckling (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Uncanny Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Panache (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Limber Up (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Limber Up (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Fast Movement (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dashing Scoundrel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Resonant Arms (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Wind at my Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Coupe De Grace (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Exploit Weakness (Rank 1)

24 AP in Mach tree
- Leg Shot
- Fetching
- dex +1
10 APi n Harper tree
- Know the angles
- dex +1

ED run in Fury of the Wild
Twist
- Rejuvenation Cocoon
- Extra Action Boost
- Lithe

[Kentpb]

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Level 28 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(2 Rogue \ 5 Wizard \ 13 Bard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 286
Spell Points: 871 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 30
Will: 16

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength              6                  6                    6
Dexterity            20                 34                   39
Constitution         12                 15                   15
Intelligence         15                 18                   18
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               5                 17                   27
Bluff                 2                  2                   11
Concentration         3                 25                   34
Diplomacy             2                  2                   10
Disable Device        6                 26                   34
Haggle                2                  2                   10
Heal                  1                  5                   13
Hide                  5                 14                   26
Intimidate            2                  2                   11
Jump                  2                  3                   14
Listen               -1                  0                   10
Move Silently         5                 14                   24
Open Lock             9                 27                   35
Perform               4                 25                   33
Repair                2                  4                   12
Search                6                 26                   34
Spellcraft            4                 11                   20
Spot                  3                  4                   12
Swim                 -2                 -2                    7
Tumble                n/a              n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      6                 23                   31

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Spellcraft (+1)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Shuriken Expertise


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+3.5)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+2.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Perform (+6)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Acid (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Light Armor Proficiency (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Medium Armor Proficiency (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Tenser's Transformation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Confidence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Swashbuckling (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Limber Up (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dashing Scoundrel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dexterity (Rank 1)

22 AP in Harper tree
- dex +4
- Know the angels
- range power + 6

ED run in Fury of the Wild
Twist
- Rejuvenation Cocoon
- Extra Action Boost
- Lithe

[Kentpb]

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Level 28 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Bard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 308
Spell Points: 417 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 34
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength              6                  6                    6
Dexterity            20                 34                   40
Constitution         12                 15                   15
Intelligence         15                 18                   18
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               9                 20                   31
Bluff                 2                  2                   10
Concentration         3                 25                   33
Diplomacy             2                  2                   10
Disable Device        6                 27                   35
Haggle                2                  2                   10
Heal                  1                 23                   31
Hide                  5                 15                   27
Intimidate            2                  2                   10
Jump                  2                  8                   20
Listen               -1                  0                   13
Move Silently         5                 15                   25
Open Lock             9                 35                   43
Perform               4                  4                   12
Repair                2                  4                   12
Search                6                 27                   38
Spellcraft            2                  4                   12
Spot                  3                  5                   16
Swim                 -2                 -2                    7
Tumble                n/a               16                   27
Use Magic Device      6                 25                   33

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Thrown Weapon Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Human
Feat: (Selected) Shuriken Expertise
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+7)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Nimble Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Nimble Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy Resistance Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy Resistance Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Terror Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Soul Magic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Paralyzing  Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arrow of Slaying (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Confidence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Swashbuckling (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Uncanny Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - On Your Toes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Limber Up (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Action Boost: Doubleshot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Swashbuckler (Brd) - Dashing Scoundrel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sniper Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Protection (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Protection (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Protection (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Skill Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Aimed Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)

ED run in Fury of the Wild
Twist
- Rejuvenation Cocoon
- Extra Action Boost
- Lithe

[Avocado]

Perma tensers is nice but not worth the point cost. 31AP for an ability you can scroll. Go with at least 5 rogue for mechanic tree. Dont do bard because you lose monk ninja spy extra projectile. Also should be hafling, no question there. Take 6 monk for 10k unless you got all PL doubleshot and epic quiver.

My current thrower is 12rog/6mnk/2pal. Killer saves, insane deeps and trap skills.

[Theolin]

11 rogue / 4 ftr / 3 bard

IPS with pin, whistler, nervVen, icecloak, & CDG = dead mobs - even better if there is a CC arcane
bard dex to dam
Shidari with Reign, cocoon, & ??? twisted
double shot: dex + 30(feats&enhancements) + item + actionboost 30
700HP, if you want more HP then use shield & put more into SD loose 10% double shot for 20% HP
73 perform ... trying to get it higher
dex20, con12, int16, chr12

Tried teir 5 Mech ... but like CDG better
Tier 5 mech is more damage but less mob deaths
I do switch if I am going to do a lot of undead quests

[Kentpb]

Perma tensers is nice but not worth the point cost. 31AP for an ability you can scroll. Go with at least 5 rogue for mechanic tree. Dont do bard because you lose monk ninja spy extra projectile. Also should be hafling, no question there. Take 6 monk for 10k unless you got all PL doubleshot and epic quiver.

My current thrower is 12rog/6mnk/2pal. Killer saves, insane deeps and trap skills.

ty for posting but the point here is to come up with the best non monk option for the star throwers. If you look up my current star thrower build is a wraith monk love him but want to try to get out of the box :}

[TitusOvid]

I am looking for a thrower build, too. But here is the thang. I don't want to go shuris or monk. Since I got my bard and ranger life I was thinking going eldritch but I am sceptical. Maybe a wizzie/mechanic/ranger thingie with points in harper too.

Anyone got experience with that?

[unbongwah]

FYI, there's an update to Ron's builder buried in their forums: http://www.rjcyberware.com/forums/sh...nner-Update-25

However, it still doesn't contain Harper, so I recommend ED37's char builder instead: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...r-Builder-Lite

[giftie]

I have to agree with MousePointer. Since all sources of crit multiplier on thrown weapons are still broken AFAIK, Shuriken on non-Monks becomes less attractive compared to tAxes or tDaggers - or certain named weapons (e.g. Nightforge Spike). Furthermore, by not going Shuriken you're no longer locked into DEX-based making non-Halfling STR- or CON-based builds viable - especially with a bit of Barb thrown into the mix. The entire Critzilla build thread is non-monk thrower gold.

Keep in mind that you can still make a pretty darn powerful uncentered non-10k star tosser despite having a few Monk levels.

Having said that, any non-Monk thrower should take CDG. You second build, "Swash Star thrower" looks quite decent. Though I'd definitely drop at least one Fighter level for one Bard, and pick up Inspire Excellence instead of the two Great Dexterity feats for a net gain of +2 to all non-DEX stats and much better utility. In fact, I'd probably drop both Fighter levels and drop Empower Healing too, for level 6 spells (or possibly Extend, but whereas Extend is quite spell power effective, Empower Healing is only worth it with Mass Cures).

[unbongwah]

Inspire Excellence req's Inspire Heroics which comes from bard lvl 15; so it's not an option on any of the OP's builds.

[giftie]

Inspire Excellence req's Inspire Heroics which comes from bard lvl 15; so it's not an option on any of the OP's builds.

Hence my suggestion that he should switch at least one level of Fighter to Bard in the 14 Bard/4 Rogue/2 Fighter build. He'd lose a feat, but he takes Great Dexterity twice in that build, so net DEX is the same.

EDIT:

bard dex to dam

Wait, what? Did they change Different Tack to work with thrown now?

[TitusOvid]

Having said that, any non-Monk thrower should take CDG... .

Sorry, whats is CDG?

[giftie]

Sorry, whats is CDG?

Coup de Grace.

I am looking for a thrower build, too. But here is the thang. I don't want to go shuris or monk. Since I got my bard and ranger life I was thinking going eldritch but I am sceptical. Maybe a wizzie/mechanic/ranger thingie with points in harper too.

Anyone got experience with that?

Not going Shuri/Monk means getting as big hits as possible, and insta-death from CDG. Why not give Critzilla 3.0 a try?

Either way, Eldritch is not worth it, IMHO. While BAB 25+ admittedly has a much higher impact for thrown than melee, it is possible to hit speed cap without it. And there's quite a lot of filler points in EK. If you really want Tenser's and a new PL, there's some merit to using Arti 12 as base. Free ranged feats, extended cast Tenser's, and plays well with Bard and/or Rogue. Maybe 12 Arti/7 Bard/1 FvS.

I'm planning a CON-based Axe thrower variant of 15 Bard/3 Fighter/2 Rogue. Mostly flavor, but could be fun nevertheless.