+20 hearts

[Powskier]

Interesting idea to use heart on new class.... I like playing a new class from low lvl to figure out what works as I go- lvl20 right away ? One or Two mistakes and your build could be lame-....Wood(hehe) we not want to test it out for a life first?..need three for completioneer anyways.

[Kawai]

I am trying to,protect some people who may assume they will work when in fact they may not. Me I,don't care.

Having been around long enough to witness many of Turbine's antics, Uska is asking a valid question.
I am not sure why most of the posters are being so obtuse.

no rep to hand out atm.


Will do when off timer.

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Hopefully, a Dev will chime in here soon with answers, Op.

[Chai]

Do I need to quote Uskas accusation for you again or can you read it for yourself?

Instead of non communication possibly leading to players crying bait and switch, clarification is being asked for, and if provided will then serve to avoid the conditions under which that accusation could be made. Its a fairly common situation for a consumer to ask for clarification before making a purchase.

[Susquehana]

No they are releasing the hearts because they know people will buy them because of the impending warlock release and yes it's coming pretty soon

Attention CHAI. This is called an accusation. It does not get any more clear than this. Can you read this or do I need a larger font for you?

[Paleus]

No they are releasing the hearts because they know people will buy them because of the impending warlock release and yes it's coming pretty soon

Attention CHAI. This is called an accusation. It does not get any more clear than this. Can you read this or do I need a larger font for you?

No, it is as an assumption, not an accusation. The assumption being that the +20 heart release is intentionally coinciding with the release of the Warlock class. That in and of itself does not assume wrong-doing.

Can we get a statement on these will work to switch to the warlock class or not? Otherwise people might feel it is a bait and switch.

This is a request for clarification, and positing a logical scenario that is best avoided. If the heart does not work on warlock and people bought the +20 heart assuming that it would work, it would feel like bait and switch. I wouldn't really use that phrase, I'd feel like bait and switch is reserved for releasing a powerful iconic and then in the first couple of patches nerfing it to oblivion.

But, it is a reasonable statement that the timing of +20 hearts could have some people buying it in preparation for use on the Warlock class. As such, whether the assumption that this timing is intentional proves to be true, the end result would be the same if they did not work and led people to feel cheated, even if they aren't technically being cheated. There is enough vagueness in the understanding of how newly released classes interact with hearts/stones that clarification is reasonable. Therefore, a statement on whether hearts work with Warlock would be a beneficial move on the part of the devs as it would be able to prevent some, but not all, instances of people purchasing the heart intentionally for warlock and then being delayed in when they could use it for Warlock (if that were the case). Regardless of intent on either side, avoiding that scenario seems like a reasonable request.

[Alavatar]

Druids had no such restrictions; you could vet status them, LR into them, or iconic 14 levels of them day one.

Inaccurate.

See the MotU release notes, Update 14. Druids could not utilize vet status, LR+1/+3/+5, or the Stone of Experience (at the time Otto's boxes were not released) at the time of implementation.

Additionally, you could not Iconic a Druid because Iconic races were released in the Shadowfell expansion, Update 19 (as opposed to Druids being released in Update 14).

[Susquehana]

No, it is as an assumption, not an accusation. The assumption being that the +20 heart release is intentionally coinciding with the release of the Warlock class. That in and of itself does not assume wrong-doing.



This is a request for clarification, and positing a logical scenario that is best avoided. If the heart does not work on warlock and people bought the +20 heart assuming that it would work, it would feel like bait and switch. I wouldn't really use that phrase, I'd feel like bait and switch is reserved for releasing a powerful iconic and then in the first couple of patches nerfing it to oblivion.

But, it is a reasonable statement that the timing of +20 hearts could have some people buying it in preparation for use on the Warlock class. As such, whether the assumption that this timing is intentional proves to be true, the end result would be the same if they did not work and led people to feel cheated, even if they aren't technically being cheated. There is enough vagueness in the understanding of how newly released classes interact with hearts/stones that clarification is reasonable. Therefore, a statement on whether hearts work with Warlock would be a beneficial move on the part of the devs as it would be able to prevent some, but not all, instances of people purchasing the heart intentionally for warlock and then being delayed in when they could use it for Warlock (if that were the case). Regardless of intent on either side, avoiding that scenario seems like a reasonable request.

Uska said, and clearly, they are releasing the hearts BECAUSE they KNOW people will buy them for the WARLOCK release. That is an accusation in any language. At first Uska asked, by page two Uska was accusing. This is the second time +20 hearts were released this year.

[EllisDee37]

Inaccurate.

See the MotU release notes, Update 14. Druids could not utilize vet status, LR+1/+3/+5, or the Stone of Experience (at the time Otto's boxes were not released) at the time of implementation.

Additionally, you could not Iconic a Druid because Iconic races were released in the Shadowfell expansion, Update 19 (as opposed to Druids being released in Update 14).

I stand corrected, thanks much for the clear cite.

That answers it for me pretty conclusively: Just like the last two classes released, you will not be able to use LR+ hearts to LR into warlock.

[Paleus]

Uska said, and clearly, they are releasing the hearts BECAUSE they KNOW people will buy them for the WARLOCK release. That is an accusation in any language. At first Uska asked, by page two Uska was accusing. This is the second time +20 hearts were released this year.

I see no wrongdoing in releasing +20 Hearts because people will buy them for Warlock release. So its an assumption that this is why it occurred.

It becomes an accusation when you add on the additional "and it won't work with Warlock." So yes, if the statement was " Turbine is releasing +20 Hearts with full knowledge that people will both be buying them with plans to use on a Warlock and full knowledge by Turbine that it will not work on Warlock" that statement would be an accusation of bait and switch. I do not see Uska making those statements in tandem, though I see other people speculating on will it or won't it work.

I think it's entirely plausible the assumption is wrong and that the release of +20 hearts is coincidental. But, even if it is a pure coincidence, the timing is such that people could buy it under the belief that they would be able to use it with Warlock. Now, whether the Devs realize that possibility or not, its a reasonable thing for the players to realize that potential blow-up scenario and then ask for clarification so as to avoid it. Basically, the whole point of this thread.

[Susquehana]

I see no wrongdoing in releasing +20 Hearts because people will buy them for Warlock release. So its an assumption that this is why it occurred.

It becomes an accusation when you add on the additional "and it won't work with Warlock." So yes, if the statement was " Turbine is releasing +20 Hearts with full knowledge that people will both be buying them with plans to use on a Warlock and full knowledge by Turbine that it will not work on Warlock" that statement would be an accusation of bait and switch. I do not see Uska making those statements in tandem, though I see other people speculating on will it or won't it work.

I think it's entirely plausible the assumption is wrong and that the release of +20 hearts is coincidental. But, even if it is a pure coincidence, the timing is such that people could buy it under the belief that they would be able to use it with Warlock. Now, whether the Devs realize that possibility or not, its a reasonable thing for the players to realize that potential blow-up scenario and then ask for clarification so as to avoid it. Basically, the whole point of this thread.

Here is what Uska said "No they are releasing the hearts because they know people will buy them because of the impending warlock release and yes it's coming pretty soon. That is an accusation of intent. Its as clear as day

[Uska]

Uska said, and clearly, they are releasing the hearts BECAUSE they KNOW people will buy them for the WARLOCK release. That is an accusation in any language. At first Uska asked, by page two Uska was accusing. This is the second time +20 hearts were released this year.

They are releasing them because they know there will be an increased demand due to warlocks coming soon I didn't imply something sinister I just know how people think and some will buy them with warlocks in mind and if they cant use them right away they will be upset. Don't put your interpretation on my words because you will be and are wrong

[Uska]

I see no wrongdoing in releasing +20 Hearts because people will buy them for Warlock release. So its an assumption that this is why it occurred.

It becomes an accusation when you add on the additional "and it won't work with Warlock." So yes, if the statement was " Turbine is releasing +20 Hearts with full knowledge that people will both be buying them with plans to use on a Warlock and full knowledge by Turbine that it will not work on Warlock" that statement would be an accusation of bait and switch. I do not see Uska making those statements in tandem, though I see other people speculating on will it or won't it work.

I think it's entirely plausible the assumption is wrong and that the release of +20 hearts is coincidental. But, even if it is a pure coincidence, the timing is such that people could buy it under the belief that they would be able to use it with Warlock. Now, whether the Devs realize that possibility or not, its a reasonable thing for the players to realize that potential blow-up scenario and then ask for clarification so as to avoid it. Basically, the whole point of this thread.

+1 correct

[Susquehana]

They are releasing them because they know there will be an increased demand due to warlocks coming soon I didn't imply something sinister I just know how people think and some will buy them with warlocks in mind and if they cant use them right away they will be upset. Don't put your interpretation on my words because you will be and are wrong

I posted your words and no interpretation was needed. Your intent was clear. If you want to change now that is fine, but to say you did not accuse them is false. You straight said Turbine was releasing knowing people would buy them for warlock.

[RoberttheBard]

They are releasing them because they know there will be an increased demand due to warlocks coming soon I didn't imply something sinister I just know how people think and some will buy them with warlocks in mind and if they cant use them right away they will be upset. Don't put your interpretation on my words because you will be and are wrong

Here's the kicker to this: If anyone in my guild was to ask if buying the +20 heart was a good idea with Warlock on the horizon, I'd say no, due to the last updates with new classes and how they were initially handled. This is a measurable effect, and something they have done in the past. If no one asks, I'd say it's likely that they don't know it's coming, and some of them may not even care that it's coming. I know this will shock some people, but not everyone plays for completionist, I know I don't. None of my final builds have completionist in mind, although I am messing around with one for the "just because" thing.

Only about 15% of the game's population even comes to the forums. Are you planning to log into every server, and go to every public area with a PSA for your announcement? How many times a day, and for how long are you going to do that so that you can be reasonably sure that you've alerted everyone that may need to know? Because if you're not doing that, then this thread served one real purpose, to accuse Turbine of shady business practices, despite knowing that the hearts couldn't be used on release of the new classes that we've gotten in the "recent" past. You couldn't even use +1 hearts on Iconics on release, and you couldn't use a +x heart to get Druid into a build on it's release either. So, if we go by Turbine's history with new classes being introduced, you have your answer: No, you won't be able to use them. I'd start rolling up toons so you can start server hopping to get your PSA out.

[Drwaz99]

It's a valid question especially given Turbine's sometimes questionable sales tactics.

If you've been around long enough to have seen other classes get released, you'll know that hearts weren't allowed for a time after their release. If someone is new, they will have no idea about this and THAT is what makes this a valid question.

My bet is we'll get a response after the +20 hearts disappear.

[Deadlock]

It's pretty simple if you buy one of the +20 hearts will you be able to switch let's say your 20th level fighter to a level 20 warlock on the day they are released or will they be locked out from that and vet status like classes were in the past.

Worst idea I've heard in a long time if they do allow this. I don't believe that anyone is sitting there would be unable to cope with the loss of their completionist feat and so concerned that they are anxious to use a +20 heart just to get it back. So what other reason would there be to try and insta-cap a Warlock?

Previously with Artificer and Druid you could not LR in levels. I would assume they apply the same logic to Warlock. They definitely should.

[bartharok]

If people dont panic, as usual, they will see that it is quite possible to buy the heart and use it WHEN THEY WORK on warlocks. Which will happen some time after release.

As to the original question, i think that they probably wont work to begin with.

[slarden]

Uska said, and clearly, they are releasing the hearts BECAUSE they KNOW people will buy them for the WARLOCK release. That is an accusation in any language. At first Uska asked, by page two Uska was accusing. This is the second time +20 hearts were released this year.

The devs are not responding to this thread while the sale is active. Why do you think that is?Expect to see a response on Monday(possible) or no response at all (most likely)

[RoberttheBard]

The devs are not responding to this thread while the sale is active. Why do you think that is?Expect to see a response on Monday(possible) or no response at all (most likely)

The devs aren't responding to a lot of threads, why do you suppose that is? Will we see an increase in Dev responses across the board, or do I need a tin foil hat for the reference to matter?

If I were to venture a guess, I'd say that they are rather too busy to play around much on the forums, and that, if they had read this thread, they may see that the question has been asked and answered, or, alternatively, that they aren't ready to release any information on Warlock that's not already out. Considering my track record with CS the few times I've had to deal with them, I'd be all over the latter, they're not ready to reveal any information about the class, and in order to respond here, they'd be inundated with "what can you tell us about the class" posts that would build up even more resentment when the answer is "Nothing at this time", or simply not replying.

[Susquehana]

The devs are not responding to this thread while the sale is active. Why do you think that is?Expect to see a response on Monday(possible) or no response at all (most likely)

My guess is they all have uska on ignore.