+20 hearts

[Uska]

Having been around long enough to witness many of Turbine's antics, Uska is asking a valid question.

I am not sure why most of the posters are being so obtuse.

Really it's just two of them

[Susquehana]

Having been around long enough to witness many of Turbine's antics, Uska is asking a valid question.

I am not sure why most of the posters are being so obtuse.

So warlocks are being released soon? Did anyone ask this last time? Sorry but accusing them of bait and switch in this case is silly.

[Uska]

So warlocks are being released soon? Did anyone ask this last time? Sorry but accusing them of bait and switch in this case is silly.

No they are releasing the hearts because they know people will buy them because of the impending warlock release and yes it's coming pretty soon

[Susquehana]

No they are releasing the hearts because they know people will buy them because of the impending warlock release and yes it's coming pretty soon

So we are clear you are straight up accusing them of cheating their customers, even though all prior evidence says they cant be used that way?

[Chai]

So we are clear you are straight up accusing them of cheating their customers, even though all prior evidence says they cant be used that way?

Nope, whats happening here in the thread is people are asking for clarification before they make their purchase. No accusations necessary. Just a simple "yes they will work on warlocks" or "no, we would rather have people play warlocks from the ground up for the first week or two".

[Zavier]

So warlocks are being released soon? Did anyone ask this last time? Sorry but accusing them of bait and switch in this case is silly.

1. Sudden appearance of limited time store item.
2. Players recognize warlocks will be released...SOON.
3. Players contemplate purchase knowing full well it probably won't be in store again before the release of warlocks.
4. Completionists and many players might want a fast track back to completionist or class of choice.
5. It has been so long since a non-iconic class has been released many players might think they could use said store item to skip the warlock class completely. Despite Turbine's history of forcing players into leveling a new class to 20, newish players might be tempted to buy the heart.

Hence, a little forthrightness on Turbine's part might generate some player goodwill at the expense of what SEEMS like a play at the newbie gambit.

And for many of us, this kind of stuff feels like Turbine S.O.P.

[Uska]

Nope, whats happening here in the thread is people are asking for clarification before they make their purchase. No accusations necessary. Just a simple "yes they will work on warlocks" or "no, we would rather have people play warlocks from the ground up for the first week or two".

Exactly I knew you would get it.

[Susquehana]

Nope, whats happening here in the thread is people are asking for clarification before they make their purchase. No accusations necessary. Just a simple "yes they will work on warlocks" or "no, we would rather have people play warlocks from the ground up for the first week or two".

Do I need to quote Uskas accusation for you again or can you read it for yourself?

[RoberttheBard]

1. Sudden appearance of limited time store item.
2. Players recognize warlocks will be released...SOON.
3. Players contemplate purchase knowing full well it probably won't be in store again before the release of warlocks.
4. Completionists and many players might want a fast track back to completionist or class of choice.
5. It has been so long since a non-iconic class has been released many players might think they could use said store item to skip the warlock class completely. Despite Turbine's history of forcing players into leveling a new class to 20, newish players might be tempted to buy the heart.

Hence, a little forthrightness on Turbine's part might generate some player goodwill at the expense of what SEEMS like a play at the newbie gambit.

And for many of us, this kind of stuff feels like Turbine S.O.P.

So I'm being obtuse for following my own experience with 5 in this list. Note, I didn't post this list, I just read it, and started scratching my head, yet again.

[Susquehana]

So I'm being obtuse for following my own experience with 5 in this list. Note, I didn't post this list, I just read it, and started scratching my head, yet again.

See here we can come to common ground.

[RoberttheBard]

See here we can come to common ground.

We don't have to agree on everything, I'm sure we'll disagree on other stuff, it's fun, in a way. It's more fun to keep it civil, and I'm waiting for you to go off on that Blood Rage tangent again, so I can link it up and go ***???

[Susquehana]

We don't have to agree on everything, I'm sure we'll disagree on other stuff, it's fun, in a way. It's more fun to keep it civil, and I'm waiting for you to go off on that Blood Rage tangent again, so I can link it up and go ***???

Its too late, my rage over blood rage or blood strength has passed.

[walkin_dude]

If Warlock works the same as artificer and druid, then it will not be possible to *poof* one's way into high level as one of them.

[PermaBanned]

1. Sudden appearance of limited time store item.

You mean "Second appearance," right? Because these hearts 1st suddenly appeared a little while ago.

2. Players recognize warlocks will be released...SOON.

Of the three updates (U26, U27, U28) left this year, how many fall under the definition of "soon?"

3. Players contemplate purchase knowing full well it probably won't be in store again before the release of warlocks.

Well, this is already their 2nd appearance prior to the release of Warlock, so... this known full well how?

4. Completionists and many players might want a fast track back to completionist or class of choice.

Of course many might want a fast track - but making purchases based on assumptions always carries an inherent risk.

5. It has been so long since a non-iconic class has been released many players might think they could use said store item to skip the warlock class completely. Despite Turbine's history of forcing players into leveling a new class to 20, newish players might be tempted to buy the heart.

Hmm, I suppose MotU is getting to be old enough to be in that "...so long ago..." category. Iirc, Turbine didn't mention anything about heart usage then either until the class was actually announced as ready for release. Fortunately for all these newish players who may be tempted to make an assumption based purchase, they have a community of veterans willing to offer a warning based on past experiences - if they're willing to 1) ask and 2) listen to the answer...

Hence, a little forthrightness on Turbine's part might generate some player goodwill at the expense of what SEEMS like a play at the newbie gambit.

And for many of us, this kind of stuff feels like Turbine S.O.P.

Turbine S.O.P on the matter at hand is to 1) be forthright with the information when they announce the new class as ready for release, and 2) not allow use of hearts to acquire levels in a new class. It's also S.O.P to not allow use of Ottos style leveling stones on new classes.

[Susquehana]

You mean "Second appearance," right? Because these hearts 1st suddenly appeared a little while ago.


Of the three updates (U26, U27, U28) left this year, how many fall under the definition of "soon?"

Well, this is already their 2nd appearance prior to the release of Warlock, so... this known full well how?

Of course many might want a fast track - but making purchases based on assumptions always carries an inherent risk.

Hmm, I suppose MotU is getting to be old enough to be in that "...so long ago..." category. Iirc, Turbine didn't mention anything about heart usage then either until the class was actually announced as ready for release. Fortunately for all these newish players who may be tempted to make an assumption based purchase, they have a community of veterans willing to offer a warning based on past experiences - if they're willing to 1) ask and 2) listen to the answer...


Turbine S.O.P on the matter at hand is to 1) be forthright with the information when they release the class, and 2) not allow use of hearts to acquire levels in a new class. It's also S.O.P to not allow use of Ottos style leveling stones on new classes.

I am glad you took the time to explain it that way.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Whether it works or not, I'm always amused by you folks who find the feat so desirable that you'll put in all the lives to get it, but balk at having to do one more when a new class drops.

[AdamSmith]

Whether it works or not, I'm always amused by you folks who find the feat so desirable that you'll put in all the lives to get it, but balk at having to do one more when a new class drops.

O they're just looking if there's another easy button like Otto boxes. They all want to be the first to have a level 20 warlock after all.

[EllisDee37]

It's a valid question. The last two classes worked differently:

Artificers could not be LRed into, and could not be started as veteran (or vet2 if that existed) but instead could only be played from level 1.

Druids had no such restrictions; you could vet status them, LR into them, or iconic 14 levels of them day one.

Past precedent is unclear when trying to predict how warlock will be handled, and the timing on this LR+20 sale definitely merits a raised eyebrow in relation to warlocks.

[Daine]

4. Completionists and many players might want a fast track back to completionist or class of choice.

For completionists the fast track should be to TR into a level 1 warlock and then level back to cap!

I do agree with the OP in that we should know if hearts and/or stones of experience will not work and if so for how long will the exclusion period apply. They may not have sanded out the rough edges of the Warlock yet, but this is just general policy and not much to do with class design. Transparency is always welcome from the devs when it comes to us spending our money in advance...

[EllisDee37]

For completionists the fast track should be to TR into a level 1 warlock and then level back to cap!

To clarify, let's imagine a completionist wizard right now on live.

Option 1

The day warlock is released, they use an LR+20 heart to swap their current (wizard) life into a capped warlock, then immediately tr into a wizard and level to 28 as a completionist wizard, never playing as a warlock for even a single moment.

Option 2

The day warlock is released, they tr into a warlock, level to 20, then tr back into a completionist wizard and level back to 28.


Option 1 is clearly faster. Also note that your suggestion of tr into a warlock and level back to cap doesn't restore their completionist status because they won't have a warlock past life yet.