Seriously? +3 to +4 upgrade tome in TOEE EE part 2

[cave_diver]

I know what someone is going to say, that the my pull of a +3 to +4 upgrade tome on EE TOEE part2 was part of the normal loot table but seriously? This is a level 32 quest on EE with a +2 loot gem & +1 from ship buffs brings the chest to a level 35 quest. At minimum it should be a +5 to +6 upgrade tome or a straight up +6.

This is horse****!






And enough with the Mushroom caps, I get this every 2nd run its NOT a rare item!

[janave]

This is the 1st thing they should fix if they care about players who prefer to play at cap. Fix the darn max loot levels to actually grant high tier loot when boosted.

Basically this pushes players who want top tomes to just TR endlessly and buy your tomes with TP you get along the way.

/sigh

[blerkington]

Hi,

The same thing happened to me too.

It was pretty disappointing reading the description text after seeing the tome icon and thinking I'd won the lottery.

Thanks.

[flagged]

Me too, a lousy +3 Charisma upgrade tome.

[Powskier]

This is the 1st thing they should fix if they care about players who prefer to play at cap. Fix the darn max loot levels to actually grant high tier loot when boosted.

Basically this pushes players who want top tomes to just TR endlessly and buy your tomes with TP you get along the way.

/sigh

...the way players whale out EE runs ,the drop rates are about right. Imagine the auction filled with +5 and +6 tomes ,it would be silly.

[dunklezhan]

*guffaw*

[Angelic-council]

Ok, some of you might not know this, but just for the record, you can aquire +7 tome from ToEE (only).

Now, DDO loot is just like rolling a dice. You first roll a dice to determine what item you might get, then roll again to see how rare it would be. In this case, you were just unlucky. Because you will never be able to get 2 tomes from a single chest. You only get 1 tome, and it's either, bad one or good one. Your buffs won't apply here. It only increases the chest loot level, a chance to get something, not the chance to get best possible item. Which in ToEE, it's a tome + 7.

[janave]

...the way players whale out EE runs ,the drop rates are about right. Imagine the auction filled with +5 and +6 tomes ,it would be silly.

Was not about the rates at all, the loot levels are broken, the loot actually degrades after n point of loot boost.

It would be a very long time before AH would be swarmed with the tomes, considering there are usally 2-5ish tome4s on the Cannith asah on any day.
First people would apply the +5 s on their own toons, then guild mates, then AH the others, it would easily take several months before multiple 5-6s are listed.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Grats.

[JOTMON]

Ok, some of you might not know this, but just for the record, you can aquire +7 tome from ToEE (only).

Now, DDO loot is just like rolling a dice. You first roll a dice to determine what item you might get, then roll again to see how rare it would be. In this case, you were just unlucky. Because you will never be able to get 2 tomes from a single chest. You only get 1 tome, and it's either, bad one or good one. Your buffs won't apply here. It only increases the chest loot level, a chance to get something, not the chance to get best possible item. Which in ToEE, it's a tome + 7.

That's screwed. we don't buy DDO store loot gems to get an increased chance of a carppy tome, We can get straight up +4 tomes from the U14,U15,U16 quest.

We are running TOEE Epic Elite for a shot at the good tomes, random drop and named.. otherwise whats the point...
Sounds like I should just stop spending money on DDO store for things like +2 loot gems for a same chance of upgrade items as not using a gem and wait for the DDO store Tomes themselves.

[Powskier]

ya'll are forgetting this was a random dropin end chest; not a guarantee . the fact it was a tome is random and has nothing to do with the +7 tomes

[cave_diver]

ya'll are forgetting this was a random dropin end chest; not a guarantee . the fact it was a tome is random and has nothing to do with the +7 tomes

Ya'll forget that this was a level 35 chest.....should not be dropping **** tomes that can be found in demonweb level quests

[Powskier]

Ya'll forget that this was a level 35 chest.....should not be dropping **** tomes that can be found in demonweb level quests

so any tome that drops must be +5 or better?...no, sorry if the dungeon /chest lvl mattered we would have +5 tomes in lvl19 chests everywhere

[JOTMON]

ya'll are forgetting this was a random dropin end chest; not a guarantee . the fact it was a tome is random and has nothing to do with the +7 tomes

That's not what Angelic-council is saying.

He is saying it is not possible to get 2 tomes in 1 chest (per player).
You get a roll to see if you get a tome, then a random chance at the level of the tome and buffs do not apply (on the 2nd part).
I have no reason to doubt what he says his history if information has been accurate..
...and have never seen or heard of anyone having 2 tomes drop from the same chest.. ever...

We are not running level 35 chests to get +3 tomes we have low level content for that.
We don't need further dilution of low drop rate chance of tomes further diluted for a chance of a chance of a good tome.

My concern here is if a random tome drops as general loot and as Angelic says you cant get two tomes.. does that mechanic screw the chance of getting a +7 tome from the named list..


My understanding of how the tomes were supposed to work back when feather revamped loot...
(with the exception of specific chests that were coded specifically to drop differently)
Every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 333 chance of being an ability score tome
+3 tomes appear in level 23-26 treasure (25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome)
+4 tomes appear in level 27+ treasure (25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome)
+5 tomes Thunder Peak and Deathwyrm. EN and EH runs can produce +5 Tomes; EE has +5 with a chance at +6. )

So if we are seeing +3 tomes in a level 35 chest is what Feather said the mechanic is supposed to be not applying anymore?


Steelstar ..
+6>7 Upgrade Tomes in ToEE are in the named table, and aren't influenced by Jewels of Fortune.
As a general rule, if certain Tomes drop "Only in x dungeon" (ToEE, Orchard, T-holme raids), they're in the named table.

[Derana]

I know what someone is going to say, that the my pull of a +3 to +4 upgrade tome on EE TOEE part2 was part of the normal loot table but seriously? This is a level 32 quest on EE with a +2 loot gem & +1 from ship buffs brings the chest to a level 35 quest. At minimum it should be a +5 to +6 upgrade tome or a straight up +6.

This is horse****!






And enough with the Mushroom caps, I get this every 2nd run its NOT a rare item!

Ehm... I wonder if they changed that because I pulled a 6 > 7 tome from ee toee pt1 with a +2 loot gem as well

[cave_diver]

so any tome that drops must be +5 or better?...no, sorry if the dungeon /chest lvl mattered we would have +5 tomes in lvl19 chests everywhere

I never said lvl 19 quests, demonweb is 23, (possibly 27/28 on elite with boat buffs& jewel).

As for +6 to +7 upgrades, my buddies have ran TOEE Part 1 & P2 on till ransack on multiple toons since it game out. Lets say a minimum of 40 times x 2 quests x 6 players x 3 rerolls = 1440 minimum end chests with only 2 tomes seen. One was a +6 to +7 cha tome which was sweet for the person who pulled it, and the other was this s***** +3 to +4 dex.

At this rate I don't think you will see a flood of these tomes in the ASAH.

[cave_diver]

Ehm... I wonder if they changed that because I pulled a 6 > 7 tome from ee toee pt1 with a +2 loot gem as well

Think we all know that (though it wont be ever stated by turbine) the best time to get any drops is the 1st few days a quest is released after that the rate is nerfed.

[Powskier]

That's not what Angelic-council is saying.

He is saying it is not possible to get 2 tomes in 1 chest (per player).
You get a roll to see if you get a tome, then a random chance at the level of the tome and buffs do not apply (on the 2nd part).
I have no reason to doubt what he says his history if information has been accurate..
...and have never seen or heard of anyone having 2 tomes drop from the same chest.. ever...

We are not running level 35 chests to get +3 tomes we have low level content for that.
We don't need further dilution of low drop rate chance of tomes further diluted for a chance of a chance of a good tome.

...I agree bout the drop lvls ,but the game drops low lvl tomes all over the place- they are a random drop - if ddo went by lvl ,all tomes in epic would be +5 or better and they would never sell any in store.Our lootgen dreams are not important enough for ddo to change this ,I think. I don't run dungeons for stacks of throwing axes either,but there they are. There is chance at +7 tome in TOEE ;and a chance at junk loot tome ,like usual in ddo.

[JOTMON]

...I agree bout the drop lvls ,but the game drops low lvl tomes all over the place- they are a random drop - if ddo went by lvl ,all tomes in epic would be +5 or better and they would never sell any in store.Our lootgen dreams are not important enough for ddo to change this ,I think. I don't run dungeons for stacks of throwing axes either,but there they are. There is chance at +7 tome in TOEE ;and a chance at junk loot tome ,like usual in ddo.

My concern here is if a random tome drops as general loot and as Angelic says you cant get two tomes.. does that mechanic screw the chance of getting a +7 tome from the named list..

and..

If we are seeing +3 tomes in a level 35 chest is what Feather said the mechanic is supposed to be not applying anymore?
at this chest level range we should be seeing only +5 or better.

[BD_]

I might be wrong about this, but I thought +5 (and better) tomes were only special drops from HH, Thunderholme (raids), ENecro, and EToEE; and possibly special loot bonus events.

If I'm right about this, then no matter what level chest it is, the highest tome you could get is a +4 as lootgen random loot - you'd need to get lucky on the special extra roll to get better.