Another Int-based ranger

**bobafettucine** · 04-16-2015, 01:14 PM

Following on from CThruTheEgo's fun Totally Bass Ackwards Ranger, and some excellent input from CThruTheEgo and Unbongwah, I thought I would try to use the same principle but with a slightly beefed-up defence and trapping (who doesnt like trapping eh?)

Rather than continuing to clog up his build thread with my questions and assumptions, I've split it out here instead.

Tempest for killing, Stalwart Defender for not being killed & dwarf for a bit of both.

Mokkake
15/4/1 Ranger/Fighter/Artificer
True Neutral Dwarf

Level Order

1. Artificer. . . .6. Ranger. . . . .11. Ranger . . . . 16. Ranger
2. Fighter. . . . .7. Ranger. . . . .12. Ranger . . . . 17. Fighter
3. Ranger . . . . .8. Ranger. . . . .13. Ranger . . . . 18. Fighter
4. Fighter. . . . .9. Ranger. . . . .14. Ranger . . . . 19. Ranger
5. Ranger . . . . 10. Ranger. . . . .15. Ranger . . . . 20. Ranger

Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt. . .Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .----. . .---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 13 . . . +4. . . .4: INT
Dexterity . . . .8 . . . +4. . . .8: INT
Constitution. . 17 . . . +4. . . 12: INT
Intelligence. . 18 . . . +4. . . 16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . 12 . . . +4. . . 20: INT
Charisma. . . . .9 . . . +4. . . 24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: INT

Skills
. . . . . A .F. R .F. R .R. R .R. R .R. R .R. R .R. R .R. F .F. R .R
. . . . . 1 .2. 3 .4. 5 .6. 7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Heal. . . 2 . . . . . 1 .1. 2 .3. 3 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. . . . 1 .3. 23
Disable . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Open Lo . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Search. . 4 . . 2 . . 2 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. . . . 3 .1. 23
Spot. . . 4 . . 2 . . 2 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. . . . 3 .1. 23
Jump. . . 2 . . . .1. . .1. . .1. 1 .1. 1 . . . .2. 3 .4. 2 .2. 1 .1. 23
Move Si . 1 . . . . . . .1. 1 . . . .2. 2 .4. 4 .2. 1 .1. 1 .1. . .2. 23
UMD . . . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .32 .6 10 .7 11 11 11 12 12 12 12 13 13 13 13 14 10 10 14 14

Feats

.1. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
.2 Fighter: Point Blank Shot
.3. . . . : Power Attack
.3 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Goblinoid
.4 Fighter: Cleave
.6. . . . : Toughness
.8 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
.9. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
12. . . . : Empower Healing Spell
13 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant
15. . . . : Great Cleave
18. . . . : Quicken Spell
18 Fighter: Improved Critical: Ranged
20 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Elemental
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
28 Destiny: Elusive Target

Spells

Ranger

Resist Energy, Jump, Merfolk's Blessing
Barkskin, Cure Light Wounds
Cure Moderate Wounds, Wild Instincts
Cure Serious Wounds, Freedom of Movement

Artificer

Enchant Weapons, Enchant Armor

Enhancements (80 AP)

Dwarf (12 AP)

Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution, Dwarven Toughness II, Dwarven Constitution II
1. Axe Training
2. Axe Training
3. Axe Training

Tempest (36 AP)

Shield of Whirling Steel, Tempest, Graceful Death, Deflect Arrows
1. Improved Defense III, Whirling Blades
2. Whirling Blades, Sprint Boost III
3. Critical Accuracy II, Whirling Blades
4. Critical Damage II, The Growing Storm II, Whirling Blades
5. Dance of Death III

Stalwart Defender (18 AP)

Toughness, Stalwart Defense
1. Resilient Defense III, Defense Boost III
2. Durable Defense III, Armor Expertise I, Instinctive Defense III
3. Tenacious Defense III

Harper Agent (14 AP)

Agent of Good I
1. Traveler's Toughness II, Strategic Combat
2. Versatile Adept II, Know the Angles III
3. Versatile Adept II, Strategic Combat

Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost II, Attack Boost II
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Critical Damage III, Haste Boost III
Volcano's Edge
Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (11 fate points)

Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Draconic Perception (Tier 1 Draconic)

**Retrodark** · 04-16-2015, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by bobafettucine

Following on from CThruTheEgo's fun Totally Bass Ackwards Ranger, and some excellent input from CThruTheEgo and Unbongwah, I thought I would try to use the same principle but with a slightly beefed-up defence and trapping (who doesnt like trapping eh?)

Rather than continuing to clog up his build thread with my questions and assumptions, I've split it out here instead.

Tempest for killing, Stalwart Defender for not being killed & dwarf for a bit of both.

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.23.01
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Mokkake
Level 28 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(4 Fighter \ 15 Ranger \ 1 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 573
Spell Points: 477 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 19
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             13                    17
Dexterity             8                    12
Constitution         17                    23
Intelligence         18                    29
Wisdom               12                    16
Charisma              9                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance              -1                    13
Bluff                -1                     9
Concentration         3                    16
Diplomacy            -1                     9
Disable Device        8                    40
Haggle               -1                     9
Heal                  3                    40
Hide                 -1                     9
Intimidate           -1                     9
Jump                  3                    21
Listen                1                    11
Move Silently         1                    26
Open Lock             3                    32
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                4                    17
Search                8                    46
Spellcraft            4                    17
Spot                  5                    37
Swim                  1                    13
Tumble               n/a                   10
Use Magic Device      3                    32

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Goblinoid
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Reflexes


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Graceful Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Deflect Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Harper - Agent Of Good I
Enhancement: Harper - Harper Enchantment 
Enhancement: Harper - Travelers Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Harper - Strategic Combat I 
Enhancement: Harper - Know The Angles (Rank 2) 
Enhancement: Harper - Versatile Adept I (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Harper - Strategic Combat II

I did actually post a 4F/1A version on CThruTheEgo's thread. See post #56. I even mention the possibility of going dwarf. When I ran that build, I felt 4 paladin would have been the best way to go instead of 4 Fighter, because I had too many feats I didn't know what to do with and pali had superior survival with god-like saves. Now, you can take weapon focus and weapon spec for the extra power, so fighter is probably more viable.

Toughness/Epic Toughness are not really all that great anymore. Especially not needed for Dwarf. Definitely consider precision for heroic toughness feat and since you are going to be in defensive stance bulwark of defense is nice with +2 to all saves for the lvl 24 epic feat. I would even take precision over power attack since you are TWF and don't have or need cleaves.

**Retrodark** · 04-16-2015, 05:44 PM

I would also recommend using this character builder for forums as it is easy to use/view and is up to date as of 4/14/15.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...n-development)

**bobafettucine** · 04-16-2015, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Retrodark

I did actually post a 4F/1A version on CThruTheEgo's thread. See post #56. I even mention the possibility of going dwarf. When I ran that build, I felt 4 paladin would have been the best way to go instead of 4 Fighter, because I had too many feats I didn't know what to do with and pali had superior survival with god-like saves. Now, you can take weapon focus and weapon spec for the extra power, so fighter is probably more viable.

Toughness/Epic Toughness are not really all that great anymore. Especially not needed for Dwarf. Definitely consider precision for heroic toughness feat and since you are going to be in defensive stance bulwark of defense is nice with +2 to all saves for the lvl 24 epic feat. I would even take precision over power attack since you are TWF and don't have or need cleaves.

Ah yes, didn't see it earlier, nearly identical build with a couple of feat/enhancement differences and different weps (and a lot more thought put into it!).
To get the godlike pally saves, you have to put a fair bit into CHA though, which kinda takes away from what I thought was the main attraction of the Bass Ackward build (only one primary stat).

On the toughness thing, I was going to see how things went as I levelled to see if it was worth my while investing in it. I wanted to make sure this guy was a good solid melee who could take a few hits.

Precision/Power Atk. Does the fort bypass stack with armour piercing? 5% to-hit doesnt really do it for me.

**bobafettucine** · 04-16-2015, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Retrodark

I would also recommend using this character builder for forums as it is easy to use/view and is up to date as of 4/14/15.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...n-development)

Cool...Ill give it a go!

Cheers

**Retrodark** · 04-16-2015, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by bobafettucine

Ah yes, didn't see it earlier, nearly identical build with a couple of feat/enhancement differences and different weps (and a lot more thought put into it!).
To get the godlike pally saves, you have to put a fair bit into CHA though, which kinda takes away from what I thought was the main attraction of the Bass Ackward build (only one primary stat).

On the toughness thing, I was going to see how things went as I levelled to see if it was worth my while investing in it. I wanted to make sure this guy was a good solid melee who could take a few hits.

Precision/Power Atk. Does the fort bypass stack with armour piercing? 5% to-hit doesnt really do it for me.

It doesn't take a lot of charisma to get a big boost to saves with pally (28 (26 as a dwarf I guess

) is easy to achieve and gives you +9 to all saves). In addition, pali gives LoH for additional healing.

Precision does stack. 5% to hit thing is better than -5 to hit. The +5 damage by itself is okay, but just saying if you have a choice between one or the other on a TWF build, I would take precision. I took both in my version.

**CThruTheEgo** · 04-16-2015, 11:48 PM

Looks good bobafettucine (hehe, nice name btw). I'd agree with Retrodark, pali is better for defense, fighter is better for offense. It just depends on which one you prefer. You have two toughnesses listed. I definitely would not take more than one. Switch the second one with weapon specialization to get the most melee power from fighter.

I would also value precision over power attack due to the number of high fort mobs at endgame. Ideally, you'd fit both to have the option.

**bobafettucine** · 04-17-2015, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Retrodark

I would also recommend using this character builder for forums as it is easy to use/view and is up to date as of 4/14/15.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...n-development)

Tried it, loved it.

Only criticism is that it doesnt display a description of feats & enhancements as you select them.
For someone starting out on building, this makes feat/enhancement selection a little awkward.

Much better for working out optimum skill point allocations though!

**bobafettucine** · 04-17-2015, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo

Looks good bobafettucine (hehe, nice name btw). I'd agree with Retrodark, pali is better for defense, fighter is better for offense. It just depends on which one you prefer. You have two toughnesses listed. I definitely would not take more than one. Switch the second one with weapon specialization to get the most melee power from fighter.

I would also value precision over power attack due to the number of high fort mobs at endgame. Ideally, you'd fit both to have the option.

Yeah, having a look at it now, without the cleaves, the extra fighter feats aren't that useful, unless I was going heavy into Kensai and took the weapon focus/specialisation feats, rather than Stalwart for defences (which is what I plan to do).
Paladin in Sacred Defender would have been a much better option.

As an alternative, I have reinstated the cleaves for better synergy with Legendary Dreadnaught. Might swap one out later.

**unbongwah** · 04-17-2015, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by bobafettucine

Only criticism is that it doesnt display a description of feats & enhancements as you select them.

Yes, as ED37 says, it's aimed at veteran players who keep DDO wiki open for reference.

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