Redsonja 3.0 U25 - TWF Pure Barb

[Stinging_Bee]

20 from set bonus and 4 from t3 weapon upgrade.
Armors are 150% fortification, lesser displacement and a slot.

[Blackheartox]

With eetheral you have a googs spot open hm.

I have no idea what you could put into googs to be honest, maybe glimpse for enchant save?

[Stinging_Bee]

Deadly 11 goggles of Accuracy are worth it

[Cetus]

Definitely go toee one hander if you're twf. I've been thinking about switching over myself just for that reason.

[Eth]

Definitely go toee one hander if you're twf. I've been thinking about switching over myself just for that reason.

Cetus TWF? Shenanigans.

[Cetus]

Cetus TWF? Shenanigans.

It's looking really sweet right now, I know I know... lol

This is right after I spent mats making new mauls, GDI

[Bloodskittle]

Definitely go toee one hander if you're twf. I've been thinking about switching over myself just for that reason.

Which wepon you thinking of using? the heavy pick?

Anyone Considered using the Epic Locus of Vol? Blood rage and Manslayer seem intriguing, blood rage boosts STR a fair amount, could even be worth it as a swap in, proc t1 then put on a different necklace?

[Cetus]

Which wepon you thinking of using? the heavy pick?

Anyone Considered using the Epic Locus of Vol? Blood rage and Manslayer seem intriguing, blood rage boosts STR a fair amount, could even be worth it as a swap in, proc t1 then put on a different necklace?

Yea, would be nice if it didn't slow the hell outta you - as long as it does that the item is useless.

Are you referring to the named heavy pick? If so, can't use it because the hand crafted items don't get the set bonus, it's also a trash weapon.

Go warhammers - one TF and one TOEE, the 35% fort bypass off the TF applies to both weapons - only if you're fighting really high HP orange named would you dual wield mortal fear. The lesser displacement is nice for barb too.

GDI!!! I think I wanna do TWF now...

[Stinging_Bee]

Go warhammers - one TF and one TOEE, the 35% fort bypass off the TF applies to both weapons - only if you're fighting really high HP orange named would you dual wield mortal fear. The lesser displacement is nice for barb too.

GDI!!! I think I wanna do TWF now...

Join the fun!
I think it is insanely good right now! And it comes with a slightly different play style than THF so you might like the change for once

Which wepon you thinking of using? the heavy pick?

Anyone Considered using the Epic Locus of Vol? Blood rage and Manslayer seem intriguing, blood rage boosts STR a fair amount, could even be worth it as a swap in, proc t1 then put on a different necklace?

Warhammers get a boasted crit profile thanks to pulverizer from legendary dreadnought.
I posted the whole gear setup in the first post under the build.

[Bloodskittle]

Have you considered taking the Pally Past life feat instead of a weapon focus? Seems to me that +3 damage is better than +2 melee power

[Stinging_Bee]

Have you considered taking the Pally Past life feat instead of a weapon focus? Seems to me that +3 damage is better than +2 melee power

I don't like pally active past life personally, mostly because it doesn't last long enough for my taste.

I've updated the gear to fit in the new temple armor and weapons thanks to the various inputs received. Thanks folks!

[Eth]

I don't like pally active past life personally, mostly because it doesn't last long enough for my taste.

I've updated the gear to fit in the new temple armor and weapons thanks to the various inputs received. Thanks folks!

Why knost's btw? I don't see how it beats battlerager.
4% DS + 3.5 dmage proc vs. +3 damage.

[Bloodskittle]

Why knost's btw? I don't see how it beats battlerager.
4% DS vs. +3 damage.

It also provides +2 CON, not that this is really a big deal on a Barbarian as you won't be lacking for HP.

[Bloodskittle]

I'm thinking about using the new ToEE armor + warhammer for the set bonus. The new weapons looks good enough and 24 melee power seems too good to pass.
I'd have 1st degree, dragons edge and mortal fear on main hand and ToEE warhammer on off hand.
What do you guys think?

This is actually a 28 Melee power bonus, don't forget to upgrade your armor too!

Set bonus = +20
Wepon mythic bonus = +4
Armor mythic bonus = +4

[Stinging_Bee]

Why knost's btw? I don't see how it beats battlerager.
4% DS + 3.5 dmage proc vs. +3 damage.

I've never been a fan of that belt but it is a solid choise I think.
Is the rage attack bonus from the proc stacking with everything?
The damage from the set is multiplied by melee power and critical hits while the damage from the proc is not.
How much increase in DPS is worth 4 doublestrike on a TWF? (assuming you can keep the proc up 100% of the time)
Is it like 4% more DPS?

[Eth]

On madstone boots:
Just tested 60 seconds of swinging with a THF.
I did a video and counted the attacks frame by frame and ended up with 100 attack animations, which is in line with vanshilar's attack speed data for 15% alacrity (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...x-and-Formulae).

So this info from the wiki is still accurate I'd say: http://ddowiki.com/page/Madstone_Reaction
Bug: The attack-speed bonus is listed as 20% - and used to fully function at that rate pre-Update 5. Update 5 heavily modified attack rates, and madstone was probably unintentionally reduced along with many others. It's unclear if this will ever be fixed (or how it will be fixed), but the devs do consider it a bug still since the items description does not match it's effect.


It lists 20% but is actually 15%.

[Monkey-Boy]

It lists 20% but is actually 15%.

so the same as haste,no better?

[Eth]

I've never been a fan of that belt but it is a solid choise I think.
Is the rage attack bonus from the proc stacking with everything?
The damage from the set is multiplied by melee power and critical hits while the damage from the proc is not.
How much increase in DPS is worth 4 doublestrike on a TWF? (assuming you can keep the proc up 100% of the time)
Is it like 4% more DPS?

Your crit. profile is 15-18 x3, 19-20 x6.
Let's say you do 20 attacks and roll each die once.

For a single point of extra damage you do:
1 miss, 13 x 1 damage, 4 x 3 damage, 2 x 6 damage. That's 37 damage total or 1.85 damage per hit.
This will also get multiplied by your melee power, which should be around 177 with the new set bonus. I'll also add the 20 from the damage boost, although that is still counted as 20%, not actual melee power. So 197 MP.
That means your 1.85 damage gets multiplied by 2.97. That's 5.4945 damage per hit.

So 3 extra damage would add 16.4835 damage per hit.
Note that +2 Str doesn't really add 1 damage per swing, since you only get 0.5 damage mod for your offhand, but I'll ignore that for the sake of keeping things simple.

Now let's do 100 attack animations.
I'll assume you have 22% doublestrike and 10% offhand doublestrike.
1 attack animation can proc: 100% mainhand, 80% offhand, 22% extra mainhand, 10% extra offhand
100 x 1 = 100
100 x 0.8 = 80
100 x 0.22 = 22
100 x 0.8 x 0.1 = 8
---
total: 210 (5% will be misses, so that leaves 199.5 hits)

That means in 100 attack animations the 3 damage will add a total of 199.5 x 16.4835 = 3288.45825 damage.

Now let's add 4% doublestrike:
100 x 1 = 100
100 x 0.8 = 80
100 x 0.26 = 26
100 x 0.8 x 0.1 = 8
---
total: 214 (5% misses, 203.3 hits total)

So now you know you gained 3.8 extra hits.

The only question left is can you do more damage in 3.8 hits than 3288.45825 damage.
That's 865.38375 damage per hit.
In your video your barb is doing about 70 actual hits (haven't examined it closely, but that's about right). Assuming brunt has 100k HP that's around 1430 damage per hit.

So yes the 4% DS would win here.


Also keep in mind the belt adds 3.5 damage per hit from the spiked proc on top of that.

[Eth]

so the same as haste,no better?

It's the same as haste, blinding speed or a Speed VX item, yes.

[Stinging_Bee]

Thanks for the tips there eth.
Much appreciated.
Its exciting to see how much more potential we can extract out of these characters!