U25 Loot: First Look

[NoWorries]

Welcome to the U25 loot thread! Since the loot that is available on Lammania is still in a rough form, we wanted to give you a better idea of how the finished product will look. Everything below is subject to change as plans change and adjustments are made. Feel free to comment with any feedback or suggestions you may have.

Starting with U25 we are taking a new approach with itemization. The goal is to have fewer effects, which are more powerful, on the items which allows for a wider variety of the loot created.

At the same time we are attempting a new approach with the Mythic aspect of loot. Our new approach will have items show up with a mythic effect that will give a bonus to PRR and MRR or to Melee Power, Spell Power, and Ranged Power depending on the slot of the item. There will be a more common lower power version of the mythic effect and a rare chaser level that has a bit more power. The Mythic bonuses from each slot stack with one another. Example: You have a +2 bonus to PRR and MRR from your shield and a +1 to PRR and MRR from your necklace, you will have a total of +3 PRR and MRR.

ToEE Loot

There are two forms of loot in Temple of Elemental Evil. The first is an upgradeable system including almost all melee and ranged weapons (including handwraps) and all levels of armor and a docent. There are no thrown weapons.

The various random chests in ToEE have a chance to drop any of the weapons. Each weapon/armor drops associated with one of 4 elements (fire, cold, acid, electric). Along with that you will find different types of mushrooms in these same chests. The items can then be upgraded at the Overgrown Workbench using these mushrooms.

All items are available in the level 7 version and the level 28 version of the ToEE. All Elemental Effects match the base element of the weapon found.

Bind Status: The current plan is that the more common mushrooms will be unbound and the base level of the weapons will also be unbound. Once crafted the weapons will become BtA. If we run into issues making items craft into BtA, the base weapons would likely end up as BtA.

Fully upgraded melee weapons:

Heroic: 1.5W
Epic: 5W
Effects:

• Element Vulnerability (applies a 1% vulnerability to the element that lasts 3 seconds, can be added every 2 seconds, and can stack 20 times)
• Maiming (new level of the effect for Epic)
• Elemental Energy Burst (new level for Epic version)
• Elemental Area of Effect (New levels for both Heroic and Epic versions)
• Purple Augment Slot

Fully upgraded melee casters:

Heroic: 1.5W
Epic: 5W
Effects:

• Elemental Spell Power Increase (new level for Epic)
• Elemental Lore (new level for Epic)
• Spell Penetration (new level for Epic)
• Riposte (new level for Epic)
• Purple Augment Slot

Fully Upgraded Ranged Weapons:

Heroic: 1.5W
Epic: 5W
Effects:

• Element Vulnerability
• Crippling
• Seeker
• Elemental Energy Burst
• Purple Augment Slot

Fully Upgraded Armor:

Effects:

• Fortification
• Elemental Absorption (new level for Epic)
• Lesser Displacement
• Resistance (new level for Epic)
• Green Augment Slot

There will also be some rarer named items that can be found in the random chests throughout the dungeon. These will only drop in Mythic form. Many of the effects will have new levels for the Epic versions. These items will be BtA.

Heroic Weapons: 1.5W
Epic Weapons: 5w

• Spine Bastard Sword - Human Bane, Phlebotomizing, Puncturing, Wounding, Purple Augment Slot
• Frost Scimitar - Evil Outsider Bane, Good, Silver, Freezing Ice, Purple Augment Slot
• Quarterstaff - Elemental Bane, Bodyfeeder, Paralyzing, Bewildering, Purple Augment Slot
• Dagger - Incorporeal Bane, Ghost Touch, Greater Dispelling, Assassination, Purple Augment Slot
• Bow - Human Bane, Improved Destruction, Maiming, Ranged Alacrity, Purple Augment Slot
• Fire Pick - Construct Bane, adamantine, Fire Burst, Telekinetic, Purple Augment Slot
• Spike Club - Elemental Bane, Vampirism, Hardened Spikes, Improved Destruction, Purple Augment Slot

• Horseshoe Crab Shield - Natural Armor, Exceptional Sheltering, Improved Bashing, Exceptional Seeker, Purple Augment Slot

• Golden Skull Orb - General Elemental Absorption, Energy Siphon, Insightful Spell Lore II, Purple Augment Slot, Orange Augment Slot

Possible levels of some of the new effects:

New High level of Elemental Area of Effect - 30d3 + 90
New Low level of Elemental Area of Effect (for level 7) - 6d3 + 18

Epic Elemental Energy Burst - 6d6 on hit, critical deals an additional 4d10 x2, 6d10 x3, 8d10 x4
Epic Maiming - x2 8d6, x3 12d6, x4 16d6

Elemental Vulnerability – Similar to Frostbite, it is a 1% vulnerability to a specific element, can stack to 20, can be applied once every 2 seconds, expires a count in 3 seconds, is unique

Elemental Spell Lore - 23%
Elemental Spell Power – 156%

Epic Phlebotomizing - 5d8

Epic Puncturing - 3d4 constitution damage
Epic Bone Breaking - 3d4 dexterity damage
Epic Enfeebling - 3d4 Strength damage

Epic Wounding - 3 constitution damage
Epic Maladroit - 3 dexterity damage

Epic Assassination +6

Specific Elemental Absorption - 35%
Resistance - +14

[UurlockYgmeov]

ah..... in one word - awesome!

love the way this is going - want to see more.

Hopefully upgrading items does NOT change their min level.

Agree with the binding concept and hope it stays as planned.

Also hope that there are those rare unique items that occur ---- the the cursed blade etc.

Keep it up!

[Coldin]

This all looks pretty good for the most part, but I find the Ranged Weapon effects to be a bit lacking. Crippling isn't all that useful since the effect rarely makes a big different in movement speeds, and Seeker is something that is much better obtained on gear. I'd rather have another damage effect on a ranged weapon.

[Qhualor]

This all looks pretty good for the most part, but I find the Ranged Weapon effects to be a bit lacking. Crippling isn't all that useful since the effect rarely makes a big different in movement speeds, and Seeker is something that is much better obtained on gear. I'd rather have another damage effect on a ranged weapon.

I think crippling is very useful. it reduces a mobs speed by half making it take longer to get to you.

I agree with the seeker though for epics. maybe make it enhanced seeker or just outright replace it with something else. for heroics I think the best you can get is seeker +2 at level 7 and that's on just a couple items. I don't know what this seeker is on the bow, but it cant be more than +6.

[Oxarhamar]

This all looks pretty good for the most part, but I find the Ranged Weapon effects to be a bit lacking. Crippling isn't all that useful since the effect rarely makes a big different in movement speeds, and Seeker is something that is much better obtained on gear. I'd rather have another damage effect on a ranged weapon.

This unless the Seeker is higher than currently obtainable so we could ditch our Seeker Item for something else.

[RTFM]

This all looks pretty good for the most part, but I find the Ranged Weapon effects to be a bit lacking. Crippling isn't all that useful since the effect rarely makes a big different in movement speeds, and Seeker is something that is much better obtained on gear. I'd rather have another damage effect on a ranged weapon.

Crippling is underrated. It procs on a CRIT (very nice on builds with a high crit-per-minute, i.e.: rangers, monkchers, monks, SWF bards, SWF pali, etc.). And yes, it slows movement by 50% (which is a lot and very nice in the event you need to kite or run from damage to heal up, re-buff, drink pots, etc.). I find it especially useful on EE or elites (there is no save, only bosses are immune, even most undead get crippled).

[LightBear]

Crippling is underrated. It procs on a CRIT (very nice on builds with a high crit-per-minute, i.e.: rangers, monkchers, monks, SWF bards, SWF pali, etc.). And yes, it slows movement by 50% (which is a lot and very nice in the event you need to kite or run from damage to heal up, re-buff, drink pots, etc.). I find it especially useful on EE or elites (there is no save, only bosses are immune, even most undead get crippled).

Shhhhh, don't tell them... before we know it nice things get needed.

[AbyssalMage]

Honestly, I am glad they are not introducing more power creep, regardless of some forumites complaining that they want more. If the difficulty of the adventure matches the quality of loot, I will be fine with the expansion.

I just hope the items compete with older items, they don't need to be superior (therefor causing more power creep), but makes me decide and contemplate which item I would like more to equip. This should be the true objective of a item developer. It has also been sorely missing in DDO for quite awhile. If they accomplish this, bravo.

[Thrudh]

Crippling is underrated. It procs on a CRIT (very nice on builds with a high crit-per-minute, i.e.: rangers, monkchers, monks, SWF bards, SWF pali, etc.). And yes, it slows movement by 50% (which is a lot and very nice in the event you need to kite or run from damage to heal up, re-buff, drink pots, etc.). I find it especially useful on EE or elites (there is no save, only bosses are immune, even most undead get crippled).

I agree... I like crippling a lot.... But I use tactics... Many of the maxed out powergamers just run straight into every room, and cleave until everything is dead.

[Tinco]

From a first glance, I'm kind of intrigued that you want to bring back stat damage in a serious fashion. Not the worst Idea.

[Infiltraitor]

Good sir, might i trouble you for the addition of Shield, Orb, and Rune Arm to the upgradeable item base types? Much obliged.

[Michele]

Good sir, might i trouble you for the addition of Shield, Orb, and Rune Arm to the upgradeable item base types? Much obliged.

yes please, and the orbs made with a material that doesn't break druidic oath.
druids are too much penalized because they can't equip green-steel and thunderforged shields and orbs.

[mikarddo]

The main question is how these weapons stack up against Mortal Fear and how the armor stacks up against TF heavy armor.

[HatsuharuZ]

Wait.... "less effects" but "more powerful"? I really hope that you aren't going to have named items with single effects like what is currently available as quest rewards for the Wheloon pack. That would be... saddening.

[Wh070aa]

Full inventory of garbage, for crafting things I don't need, exempt they are only things that go past level now.

Thanks for your hard work on cluttering the inventory.

Also you realize stat damage does almost nothing past level 20, since everything is resistant, fast regenerating, or straight up immune? Things are recovering form 6 shot repeating crossbow with attack speed boost and haste.

Vulnerability sounds good on paper, but in actuality it does not matter on all but most hp inflated bosses. You need to beat on something for 2 minutes to get 20% damage increase from element. This is barely noticeable on anything but sorcerer.

These are basically meh weapons with Ruby Eye of ... gem in them.

All this does is add power creep to level 7, and another tier of level 28 gear (witch barley anyone cares about, since there is nothing to do at 28).

All this for like 0% drop chance too.

Could you not fix the random drops instead?

[Shuuvkopeck9]

Will there be a Fragarach? Surely the famous sword should be there somewhere, even if hard to get.

[Qhualor]

yeah stat damage does squat in epics, but im expecting some changes s0oN T()M given past comments ive read.

[Wizza]

I'm honest: I didn't understand much from the OP.


Fully upgraded melee casters:

Heroic: 1.5W
Epic: 5W
Effects:
Elemental Spell Power Increase (new level for Epic)
Elemental Lore (new level for Epic)
Spell Penetration (new level for Epic)
Riposte (new level for Epic)
Purple Augment Slot


This means that a weapon has ALL of those or just some of those effects?

Why is there Riposte on a "melee caster"?

[DagazUlf]

All of this is spot on:

Full inventory of garbage, for crafting things I don't need, exempt they are only things that go past level now.

Thanks for your hard work on cluttering the inventory.

Also you realize stat damage does almost nothing past level 20, since everything is resistant, fast regenerating, or straight up immune? Things are recovering form 6 shot repeating crossbow with attack speed boost and haste.

Vulnerability sounds good on paper, but in actuality it does not matter on all but most hp inflated bosses. You need to beat on something for 2 minutes to get 20% damage increase from element. This is barely noticeable on anything but sorcerer.

These are basically meh weapons with Ruby Eye of ... gem in them.

All this does is add power creep to level 7, and another tier of level 28 gear (witch barley anyone cares about, since there is nothing to do at 28).

All this for like 0% drop chance too.

Could you not fix the random drops instead?

[Chi_Ryu]

Bind Status: The current plan is that the more common mushrooms will be unbound and the base level of the weapons will also be unbound. Once crafted the weapons will become BtA. If we run into issues making items craft into BtA, the base weapons would likely end up as BtA.

FWIW, You have a precendent of an item which is Bound to Account on Equip - the Pale Green Ioun Stone.

Full inventory of garbage, for crafting things I don't need, exempt they are only things that go past level now.

Thanks for your hard work on cluttering the inventory.

That's what bags are for.

Also you realize stat damage does almost nothing past level 20, since everything is resistant, fast regenerating, or straight up immune? Things are recovering form 6 shot repeating crossbow with attack speed boost and haste.

This has changed (slightly) as of Update 24, patch 1, by the way:
"The chance for epic monsters to ignore ability score damage has been reduced from 90% down to 33% on Epic Hard and 50% on Epic Elite. This chance remains zero percent on Epic Casual and Epic Normal."

Not as useful as in Heroics, sure, but not as useless as before.