Combat Feats and Druid - Mechanics - Help!

[D0vahkiin]

Hey all,

i've been reading and reading through posts but i cant find answers to satisfy my questions.

First of all,i am not new to the game,have been playing almost from the beginning and i do know about the bugs and WAIs that existed the past years...after an absence of a couple of years i am back and i wanted to refresh what stands for wolf mechanics at the moment.
i have done a bit of testing myself -most of it on iconics,so i cant be 100% certain of what i am talking about-
but would really appreciate any kind of enlightment/suggestions/advice.

so here it goes

druids use their exclusive chain of feats natural fighting-ok.
and they were supposed to fix them and be able to utilize only their natural fighting feat chain...

but i ve been advised to use 2wf chain as the offhand attack rate procs as main hand attack and that i ll see a major dps boost using 2wf chain.

According to my info-if you are using 2 weapons,the weapon in your mainhand will be the one that procs to-hit weapon attributes (flaming/holy etc) and you can benefit from passive abilities of your offhand weapon too (such as stunning/seeker etc) without a second off hand attack but from the proc in mainhand attack-much like double striking without double striking.
i guess this is simple to understand.but also means that they haven't really fixed druid +fighting styles.

Now it gets more complicated even.

According to trusted resources you don't need to really wield anything in your offhand while 2 weapon fighting in wolf form to get the offhand att proc on mainhand,cause in form,you are considered unarmed anyway so it attacks only with main hand weapon.


Now i was told of another-hm,how to put it-bug/WAI that allows you to take Two exclusive chains and that is by using ranger.
According to this,you are able to acquire both 2wf chain and SWF chain as long as you get swf feat before the 2wf feat from ranger level 2.
the only drawback is that you dont get the SWF +0,5 of ability modifier to damage-yet you do get the att speed.

So i was wondering,and please correct me if i am wrong :

30% att speed from wolf form
30% att speed from SWF
30% att speed haste boost
15% att speed from haste spell
25% from fatal harrier

and all this attack speed with procs of off hand in main hand plus doublestrike chance....

So what about a build 2 ranger/8 druid/10 something else wielding a weapon and maybe an orb?

if all these are correct then i was considering the possibility of a build like
9 druid (for FoM and DW) / 2 ranger (to open up the dual combat style*exploit*) and 9 levels anything else depending which life you want to farm...
for example you can go 9monk,unarmored-wielding a shortsword (Celestia comes in mind) and Improved evasion....
or you can go 9 fighter for more feats,rogue,etc-etc..
truth is you can go whichever class you want but Pala after the 9druid/2ranger split.

I am not requesting a build,
i just wish to know if these i am stating are correct or if i have misunderstood what i've read and the info i've gathered..
And if i am wrong somewhere,where..

i would like answers from people that have actually tested this-or can test it,please,and not how someone would IMAGINE it would work or it wouldn't.

Thank you in advance people!

[unbongwah]

This thread is about as complete as the info gets: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...orking-with-it

As to your specific questions...

but i ve been advised to use 2wf chain as the offhand attack rate procs as main hand attack and that i ll see a major dps boost using 2wf chain.

Correct: this was confirmed as not WAI over a year ago (shortly after U19 came out and "broke" wolf forms); it has also not been fixed yet.

According to trusted resources you don't need to really wield anything in your offhand while 2 weapon fighting in wolf form to get the offhand att proc on mainhand,cause in form,you are considered unarmed anyway so it attacks only with main hand weapon.

Also correct: the offhand (offpaw?) procs from TWF feats occur regardless of what you have equipped in your hands. Even if you take zero TWF feats, you will still get the base 20% offhand procs.

According to this,you are able to acquire both 2wf chain and SWF chain as long as you get swf feat before the 2wf feat from ranger level 2.
the only drawback is that you dont get the SWF +0,5 of ability modifier to damage-yet you do get the att speed.

Also correct.

15% att speed from haste spell
25% from fatal harrier

There two don't stack, as they are both enhancement bonuses. But AFAIK, everything else you listed stacks.

So what about a build 2 ranger/8 druid/10 something else wielding a weapon and maybe an orb?

That is one option, as long as your "something else" isn't monk (orbs aren't ki weapons); also, Natural Fighting feats req. druid lvl 9, so you would not be able to add them with this split.

[D0vahkiin]

Thank you very much.
I appreciate the immediate and direct response.

now...wheres my character planner....?

[yannakis]

!!

[D0vahkiin]

the thing is that when i roll an iconic as a test toon ,
go to wolf form + greater single weapon fighting, character sheet only displays 30% att speed and not 60%... (30% wolf +30% swf)

didnt test on a dummie or quest so i dont really know if it does work or not,but with haste boost it does show the increase in attack speed....

are you sure this works?

cause i really wanna roll this build for fun and try the 115% att speed + 80% offhand + 80% double strike (celerity+action boost)