Vote to boot from group

[Uska]

It "is" abused in other games.

The kick party member was abused here and a vote certainly would be here if it was implemented

[Uska]

Absolutely it is...about 1 time in a million. I know to many people in "other" MMO's that love this feature and love how much it helps them when they have that ass who won't listen and keeps pulling to many mobs. It FAR outweighs the little bit of abuse that can happen.

it is easy to say "It is abused" because in reality anything can happen everywhere. If it was abused to ANY degree "Wildstar" would have dropped it in beta. The dev's behind Wildstar REALLY focus on player controlled groups and making everything player friendly.

So no...it is NOT abused to any degree in other games only in peoples minds because they might have seen it once or heard a story about it.

More like 50% or more and I had it happen to me once or twice here and saw it many more times quit one guild because they did it more than once to people and no I wont name the guild I have enough infractions already

[Phoenix-daBard]

You realize, that it takes about 2 hours to get GM?

My average is 20 minutes for a response. Must be my playtime.

[Phoenix-daBard]

Helps them how? Put it on a 10-minute cooldown.

12 hour cool down maybe. 10 minutes is more like a buff to multi-boxers such as myself.

[Phoenix-daBard]

How about this?

Vote to boot tied to a ban mechanic. A person who votes to boot someone too many times in one month gets themselves an automatic 3 day vacation that increases each time the person earns it. A person who boots the rare griefer will not be affected but someone who abuses the system will be dealt with appropriately.

[Nuclear_Elvis]

I like this idea so much, I want to be the first player to vote himself out of the group. I will boot myself out just to test it!

Last weekend...there we are, doing a Challenge with a mixed group of VIPs and FTP/Premium, some of whom only have that one per day Challenge Token that they are using for that one single run into Kobold/Chaos. We don't all know each other, but we're grouping together and one player says he really wants to join us so we wait an extra 5 minutes for him to show up and then launch in. That new player -- proceeds to emote /sleep just inside and doesn't do a single thing during the Challenge. Now I could have understood if he really had something pressing that came up, but for a 5 minute period he was delaying us and had stated how much he needed the Challenge, although he made no indication nor message that he didn't have time to actually play it, or any hint that he would not help whatsoever.

These are the types of situations that deserve a boot -- that player should not have earned all the Stars/Favor that the rest of us made in that Challenge, he should have been booted, and potentially our LFM posted (because yes, you can post LFM generically to draw in Challenge partners) -- maybe could have been answered by even just one motivated person, for one motivated minute would have been more than the /sleep leech.

[arkonas]

I like this idea so much, I want to be the first player to vote himself out of the group. I will boot myself out just to test it!

Last weekend...there we are, doing a Challenge with a mixed group of VIPs and FTP/Premium, some of whom only have that one per day Challenge Token that they are using for that one single run into Kobold/Chaos. We don't all know each other, but we're grouping together and one player says he really wants to join us so we wait an extra 5 minutes for him to show up and then launch in. That new player -- proceeds to emote /sleep just inside and doesn't do a single thing during the Challenge. Now I could have understood if he really had something pressing that came up, but for a 5 minute period he was delaying us and had stated how much he needed the Challenge, although he made no indication nor message that he didn't have time to actually play it, or any hint that he would not help whatsoever.

These are the types of situations that deserve a boot -- that player should not have earned all the Stars/Favor that the rest of us made in that Challenge, he should have been booted, and potentially our LFM posted (because yes, you can post LFM generically to draw in Challenge partners) -- maybe could have been answered by even just one motivated person, for one motivated minute would have been more than the /sleep leech.

yup similar to the reasons i mentioned too.

[Ancient]

Don't really like that as it helps multiboxers

Stuff like this, is why you get lukewarm support from half the board when you suggest pro-grouping ideas. In your haste to put it to soloers... you alienate people who might have supported your pro-grouping ideas otherwise.

[Calinthus]

Yeah, I think this would be a bad idea in general.

A better one would be to give the PL (and the PL only) the ability to right-click on a party member name and "summon" that person. Make it a nice long cooldown so it's really only useful for getting past gather issues when someone has gone afk.

I second this. Although, I run with alot of people that like to joke around (me included). The down point would be you are just about to finish an objective, and the PL summons you. Then you have to run all the way back, and complete that objective. So, I would have to say, "YES, please."

[cru121]

I would agree with a limited implementation first: kicking afk characters.

The player would see a 10-60 seconds progress bar on his/her screen - You're about to be kicked out of the quest and group. Yes / No. The Yes button should not be active immediately, so that you won't misclick it mid-combat in case of griefing.

[Uska]

Stuff like this, is why you get lukewarm support from half the board when you suggest pro-grouping ideas. In your haste to put it to soloers... you alienate people who might have supported your pro-grouping ideas otherwise.

Multi boxers are not good for grouping they just want to get more loot for one character mainly it doesn't help what I am seeking it hurts it even more then solo players.

[Annyee]

Something needs to be in place. Not sure if vote to kick is the right idea but something......

[Phoenix-daBard]

Multi boxers are not good for grouping they just want to get more loot for one character mainly it doesn't help what I am seeking it hurts it even more then solo players.

Well that is one reason for multi-boxing, but not mine. I multi-box for two reasons: To be able to fulfill multiple rolls in a quest and keeping multiple characters actively involved in the quest objectives at once adds a nice challenge as well.

[PsychoBlonde]

I would agree with a limited implementation first: kicking afk characters.

The player would see a 10-60 seconds progress bar on his/her screen - You're about to be kicked out of the quest and group. Yes / No. The Yes button should not be active immediately, so that you won't misclick it mid-combat in case of griefing.

This is a very functional way to work this sort of thing, but why even HAVE a yes button? A simple "Party Leader has elected to remove you from this group. Click to remain in the group."

Just replace the "you cannot remove people currently in a dungeon" dialog with this and the timer.

[kwyjibo_lol]

1) You are running any quest where at some point the whole group has to be present to advance. You happen to get that person who says "Gotta go afk for awhile" and now you get to that point and he doesn't come back. You have 2 options currently...start over or wait and hope he returns. Going AFK is fine as long as you tell us how long and you don't hold the group up =(

For certain quests with require everyone to assemble in the final room (e.g. Partycrashers) I think that is a reasonable thing to have as computationally it would be easy to work out if someone was not moving or responding to tells whilst the rest of the party are in the final room. Now whilst I think it would be a nice to have and there would be no real way to abuse it per se, I don't think it is quite worth the dev's time.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Not all of your companions are here yet; but since that one guy is currently AFK, I guess I will go ahead and let the rest of you proceed. That way, everyone is happy and no one has to get booted from the fun.

As for the rest of you, that just do not like certain types of players, or worse yet, think that certain players do not deserve to get what you get, since they do not measure up to your standards.....

...tough.

Get out of your basement and learn to play well with others.

The best part of DDO is that it sometimes forces you to be nice to other people. (which includes waiting for them to catch up)

[Sehenry03]

Not all of your companions are here yet; but since that one guy is currently AFK, I guess I will go ahead and let the rest of you proceed. That way, everyone is happy and no one has to get booted from the fun.

As for the rest of you, that just do not like certain types of players, or worse yet, think that certain players do not deserve to get what you get, since they do not measure up to your standards.....

...tough.

Get out of your basement and learn to play well with others.

The best part of DDO is that it sometimes forces you to be nice to other people. (which includes waiting for them to catch up)

Ok I will slow down a little this time...plz reread my original post.

To your points about not wanting to wait...in my original post I said they "don't" come back. I have ran the snitch where someone went afk and we got to the point the whole group has to be there and waited 20 minutes before we finally all recall and reform and run the quest again and the person that went afk is STILL afk. Sorry if you think I am rude but to me its the opposite...that player should have recalled or quit out or something. yes it is a game but plz have a little respect for your fellow players.

And where did I say I didn't like certain types of players? I asked that we be able to boot ******** or griefers from the group if 5 people are sick of someone's attitude why shouldn't we be able to get rid of him and get someone decent?

And yes I ran an EE FoT raid and ONE person thought it was funny he could spread the boom to the entire raid so he ran over and grabbed it and just ran around dropping it on people. When it went off he would get more and keep doing it. He happned to be playing a druid with lots of electric immunity and had no issues but the tanks weren't up for it. This is the type of player you are defending???

My house doesn't have a basement but that argument is really old. Kinda pathetic to assume anything btw.

And I don't mind waiting for them to catch up...I SPECIFICALLY said people who go afk and don't come back.

Now lets try this again. Reread my original post and tell me where I was unreasonable? Stop adding your own ideas into forum posts and stay within what is actually posted.

I really don't think what I am asking for is unfair in ANY way.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Everybody thinks I am talking abut them....

[Lerincho]

Unfortunately this is a very old topic. The problem is the extra griefing that this will cause is just not worth the positives of it. Imagine running in a party and every 15 seconds there is a vote for random people in the group without reason. This happens in Battlefield all the time.

[Enoach]

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I really don't think what I am asking for is unfair in ANY way.

I agree with you for the situations like you addressed - specifically someone AFK but group needs to gather, or worse someone has the Key/object needed to proceed but is AFK for an unreasonable amount of time.

However, a feature like this (without the voting but usable by PL) was available and while it was great for situation like removing someone from the group that kept running ahead and pulling half the dungeon back on the party and then calling the other 5 players NOOBs even though he was the first one dead. It also proved to be to much for someone to handle as it became apparent in raids which at that time had two guaranteed loot drops where the PL had to pass a rune to the person so they could claim it. This worked well with people doing rolls, but also opened up to Guild Groups kicking non-guilded members before looting as well as even cases where the PL would kick the whole group.

While those two situations seem drastic it only takes being on the wrong end of a party kick once to open your eyes to the abuse potential.

Yes, it is rude to go AFK and not be reasonable about it. At this time I think Turbine has opted for the least drama method of reforming around the person, because I imagine you wouldn't want them in your group anyway. Sure you lost a little bit of time, but think about the time you would potentially lose waiting on a vote and possibly dealing with the backlash if others didn't agree.