I know, monkchers are dead, but they can be fun. I know I could take shuriken expertise instead of deflect arrows and just be a tosser, and the feat progression is completely backwards. This is a rough draft I just wanted to put down to see if it's at all practical. Might be better to dump monk all together and just go ranger and not be a nightmare to level, but where's the fun in that?
12 AP reserved in harper for Know the Angles, and more dps through the first few cores, a couple hit points, etc.
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01-25-2015, 08:44 AM #1Community Member
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Holy Sword racial AA monkcher
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I don't see anything wrong with it. It's your playstyle and you seem to have all ranged aspects covered (am only an expert by ear). My only suggestion is, and I don't know for sure if ptwf double strike stacks in ranged double strike, but I feel like it does, but switch Holystrike to it Ptwf if it does for more doublestrike and let me or someone else craft you a thrower w/ ghostly on it, or use that one star that does; I can't remember the name.
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01-25-2015, 09:18 AM #3The Hatchery
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Why would not bump charisma and drop int and go with divine might instead of know the angles?
You loose some skill points, but you get higher saves and free up some AP since you don't have to take the prereqs in harper.-The mash on Argo
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01-25-2015, 03:15 PM #4Community Member
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Feat starvation.
My fault. I didn't include skills. So this build is a non-ranger ranger basically. Requires a lot of skills to survive. Need enough to keep up UMD, Heal, concentration, spot, jump, tumble
Elven grace. It's easier to pump dex than it is to pump wis/str or dex/str whatever.
This build doesn't have bow str. I'd have to dump precision and overwhelming crit to pick up Weapon focus: Ranged and Bow Strength.
I would save a bit of AP but I don't think DM would be enough to make up for 25% fort bypass and 19-20/x1. If I didn't put those points into harper, they would go into henshin for lighting the candle, or ninja for tossing/sneak dice. Possibly a little more Versatile Adept.
The concept is Holy Sword/Pinion/Mountain stance/OC
10K stars,Manyshot,10K stars,Zeal of the righteous In Divine Crusader
13-18/x4,19-20x6
Probably Fury of The Wild for Raids.
OF course the easy way would be to take Ranger instead of monk and do what you said. Relying more on doubleshot than 10K. At a certain point double shot would be better than 10K stars with the wisdom I'm working with. That would probably be around level 25.
Ranger would obviously be superior choice, freeing up about 2-3 feats and offering a better melee option.
Angles is just a little bonus to replace rams might.
At one point I considered dumping dex and elf and just going for strategic combat, but you have to get dex to 19 to get all the ranged feats, so I wouldn't be able to get INT as high as I can get dex, I don't think.
One more possibility would be to go Sun Elf and move some racial AP into Harper for int damage, and make up some int that way. This would only need a +1 heart. I do have a +6 dex tome so I could possibly pull it off starting with a 14 dex, and waiting until level 21 to take improved precise shot. In that case I would probably build to toon completely melee and use the +1 at level 21 or 22 and fully respec.Last edited by Sharktopus; 01-25-2015 at 03:35 PM.
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01-25-2015, 03:42 PM #5Community Member
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I agree that DM would stretch the feats and stats too thin. But if you're going for KtA, have you considered going full INT instead of DEX? I do think DEX is actually better, but it's an option. However, your WIS looks a bit low for my taste - 10k Stars have a 50% uptime, getting an extra 1-2 arrows is arguably more important than slightly harder hitting ones.
The points in KotC are of limited value in my option. I think not getting extra LoH from SaD is mistake, and if you're just going there for Ranged Power boost, it's probably better to more get permanent ranged power from Harper.
I'm curious how you intend to generate ki for 10k stars. You run in Earth, and you don't take Contemplation from Henshin. Just Enlightenment twist from GMoF won't be enough to power 10k whenever it's on CD.
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01-25-2015, 06:47 PM #6Community Member
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high concentration. Starting out a quest with 60 in the ki pool gives me some leeway to run a quest before having to meditate, shrine, drop into melee. Paladins and monks both get concentration as a class skill, plus whatever gear. Originally Posted by giftie
The enhancements are just place holders. Thanks for the suggestions. I spend serveral million plat a life messing with enhancements and I'm trying to avoid the old trial and error "how do i feel like playing today" habit I've fallen into.
The only reason I am dex instead of int is because I've done several dex monkcher/tosser/stick lives and have the gear, tomes, and it's easier to buff up than int. Also, IPS requires a 19 dex so, if I was going to back out of dex at all, it would be to put more into wisdom. Elf gets dex level ups, harper gets dex level ups. monk gets dex level ups. still havent got enhancements sorted but I have more options for dex than int.
The only way to put more int into this build is to go Sun Elf, and I would free up enough AP not doing grace to put more into harper for more int. Sun elves get the same range cores as elves, so that's the second best option. The other problem with going INT is I would need to then fit in insightful reflexes.
Honest opinion is dex and int would come out about the same. I wouldn't lose +1 damage from mountain stance when i use it with INT. The difference would just be a bit in racial choice and AP distribution. The effectiveness would be the same.
I know the int in the planner looks higher than it needs to be but I'm only investing a few starting points in it and a +4 tome that would apply regardless. I could put those points into wisdom but I'm better geared for wis already. And honestly the original plan was bow str, divine might. but then I'd be trying to get charisma as high as int so it would all be the same. This gives me a few more skill points. The only reason I'm using harper is beause I'm trying to find a use for harper in a non-assassin/battle engineer build, but putting the points into wisdom and monk enh would probably make more sense.
I do agree that it might be better to put stats into wisdom than int for 10k. my int gear is a bit lacking though. Have gear for wisdom, dex, con already (EE field optics +3 insightful wis, eidolans, EE black dragon hat, etc.) Dont know if i could fit more intel in there than a +7 diamond. Geared, dex and con would be my highest stats, followed by wis and then intelligence. Should end up with a 40 wis in water stance I believe.
Should end up with about a 39-40 wisdom and a 30 intel at end game, but I guess a 42 wisdom and a 28 intel would be better. The difference there would be 20 skill points and +1 damage vs whatever 2 points of wis would add to 10k stars. not sure of the math on that. And like you said my ki regen might be slower than optimal so I might not have 10k up all the time so the +2 wisdom may have less return than a classic 10k moncher.
Never had a problem with one of my archers dropping into melee to fill the ki bar real quick. Lots of AC, mountain stance. for that. My first life I was 14 ranger/6 monk pure dex and my AC was around 120 in mountain stance wit, decent PRR. blur, ghostly, dodge in the 20s, evasion. I didn't have problems. I was more of a "stand and deliver death" than "kite all over the place like a rabbit." That was before champions and the changes to armor though. When in Fury of the wild, stat points go into con because str is useless, so I had about 800 HP and pretty solid defenses. My guess is 14 paladin would be sturdier than 14 ranger. Especially in DC. But but if stuff gets close enough to me to hit me in melee, I will hit it back.
There are a lot of ways this build could go and I will strongly play with implementing your suggestions, and especially look more at LoH. Currently I'm a 15 pal/3sorc/2ftr melee and almost never use LoH, unless I am throwing it on a party member who is at 10% health.
I have also considered ditching slayer arrows and going Violence begets violence Shintao as I've had pretty good DPS doing something like that in the past, though it requires getting attacked a lot and I'm not planning on much hitting me. Essentially that would only proc when I'm fighting other archers or meleeing.Last edited by Sharktopus; 01-25-2015 at 06:49 PM.
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01-25-2015, 07:38 PM #7Community Member
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A more classic monkcher loadout. No Harper Business. I feel like lighting the candle should make up for the missing 2d6 light damage in KoTC as the crit range is so wide, the 3d6 force should be almost as good. Also get more ki, more LOH. miss 4 ranged power, know the angels, and the +2 to damage evil/+1 weapon enhancement from harper. Also missing 6x20 second +30 ranged power rfom KoTC might be a big deal.
I feel like the combined dps from KoTC and harper will pull ahead of lighting the candle, but not enough to make a difference.
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01-25-2015, 07:55 PM #8Community Member
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Sun Elf Variant
This also leaves me 12 AP for harper which is just enough to pick up Versatile Adept II and make it worth it. Also larger benefit from KtA.
I feel like this would get a lot more usage on a wizard/arti/rogue based AA, but Holy sword is kind of the point, and the Pally past life. I'm almost done with my first pally life and it is good melee dps but ever so tedious to Cleave, Cleave, Cleave, Stun, Cleave.
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I tried both INT and DEX-based, and vastly prefer your proposed DEX-based variant for stat consolidation and higher reflex. The difference with INT-based is marginal at best (at least in my setup), and you can take KtA either way.
Since you don't take Veil, starting ki and meditation might give more breathing room, but unless you're extremely careful you'll gut your DPS by either having to meditate mid-fight or run out of ki altogether. Personally I ended up twisting Enlightenment and running exclusively in Ocean (too many filler points in Henshin for my taste), but I guess you'll find out how far that ki bar takes you. At any rate, it's just twists and enhancements, and it can easily be changed.
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I tried this out kind of a build out b4 the nerf to holy sword. It was ok. Super A++ burst damage but non-burst damage was only ok at best. Defenses were not bad though. In the end my Shuricannon has better overall damage and better defenses.
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unless things have changed...?
IPS & AF r both stances; which Precision auto turns /off.
^^^ has that changed? haven't tried it in a while.
if not, would deff go Str over Dex & Grace, & replace w/ Bow Strength & get back all those AP's.
i cant get by without IPS.
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02-14-2015, 10:20 AM #12Build Constructionist
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Archer's Focus and IPS are ranged stances; Precision is an offensive stance. You are able to have one ranged stance and one offensive / defensive stance (i.e., Precision, Power Atk, Combat Expertise, etc.) active simultaneously. Originally Posted by Kawai
How do you propose squeezing in WF:Ranged + Bow Str onto a monk 6 / pal 14 monkcher?if not, would deff go Str over Dex & Grace, & replace w/ Bow Strength & get back all those AP's.
Monk feats (3): Precision, Zen Archery, 10K Stars
Heroic feats (7): PBS, Rapid Shot, Prec Shot, Manyshot, IC:Ranged, IPS, Master of Forms
Epic feats (3): Overwhelming Crit, Combat Archery, ???
I suppose you could swap the last two feats out, but STR+CHA-based vs DEX+INT-based isn't really a major AP savings, since you have to spend at least 14 APs into racial tree to unlock AA (+5 APs to add Grace as well); and you go from needing Know the Angles to needing Div Might, which cost the same APs. And while you would gain DPS from STR-only bonuses like Primal Scream, you would lose DPS from dropping Combat Archery, so that's a wash too.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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yes, egg on face. It was Resilience that conflicted. been a while since @build-sorry. Originally Posted by unbongwah
yea, same thing. more egg on face. :P Originally Posted by unbongwah
ive always used Ranger6 for all freebies, & totally forgot pre-req @BowStr.
so, haz aboot i just sit back & shutup
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02-16-2015, 11:44 AM #14The Hatchery
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No, it did not. Originally Posted by Kawai
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Final Thoughts
I've come across a few of these 14 pal / 6 monk AA builds since I've posted this. At the time of OP, my google fu was weak and I wasn't coming across anything for guide or criticism on the build so it was an experiment. At the end of second epic life on this guy. Some of my thoughts.
A great way to get a paladin past life if you're an archer, already have a bank full of monkcher gear and a nice collection of bows. Paladin melee kind of bored me, so this was a refreshing change.
The added DPS from holy sword and the fantastic saves made it much easier to farm destinies outside of Fury. The DPS while in Fury doesn't compare to classic monkcher. Sniper shot + slayer ends up being much more burst dps than just a extra x1 mult from holy sword. I saw some slightly bigger numbers, but it just felt weaker. For a raid boss slayer, standard monkcher is best. I think some of this has to do with current lag/glitches and the fact that it's frustrating trying to manage a build of any sort that has a half dozen short duration, long cool down, abilities. How many times I've hit adrenaline, damage boost, manyshot, slay and.. nothing happens, or cooldowns start and manyshot didn't activate. This kind of thing seems a lot worse than it used to be. This alone gives tossers such an advantage.
Divine Favor, Rams might, samesies DPS wise.
Fantastic saves, as mentioned above. Although the 12/6/2 monkcher has just as good or better saves, depending how defensively you build. On a build whose important stats are wis, con, and dex, the saves are going to be good.
Lay on hands. Good. No need to twist cocoon. 4 points in SD for more of these definitely. Would be nice to have quicken for Cure moderate, especially when you don't want to lay off dps from manyshot for too long, but managing EE fine without it.
I get best overall dps blitzing dreadnaught or crusading with enhancements spread out for the low hanging fruits. light the candle, ninja dice, force arrows, harper enchantment and cores. KotC cores, elf racial damage, defender stance. With the wide crit profile this build has, and the fact that some of these enhancements scale with melee power, blitzing them is pretty hard hitting on trash. I don't think I went over T3 enhancements this way.
I don't know if I would do this build again, but I am going to run it through some more ETRs, finish capping out my last couple destinies and farming a few raids. The existing split might be recycled into some sort of melee ninja build just for laughs before I'm done.
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02-17-2015, 07:49 AM #16The Hatchery
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Heh, just capped mine, and let me tell you I spent like half the time telling my friend how it sucks in heroics and nagging them to join me and carry me. Originally Posted by Sharktopus
Quote from a friend levelling very similar: "**** it, I am gonna pull out a stupid bow". In heroics, mind you.
8 Strength, no PA, aoe only after getting pally cleaves, no melee gear to speak of except wraps ( and those are pretty useless without any twf ). It's horrible, I really wouldn't inflict levelling such build on anyone.
Only solution for atrocious ranged damage on ANY toon in heroics is to melee. And melee is super weak on this build.
Holy Retribution is just uber in heroics, but it still has limited charges and when instakilling mobs become impossible, man, one stupid hezrou in spinner takes you 30 seconds to kill .
Of course, it's brilliant at 20 ( lolwut 17k crits with Thornlord with heroic gear at level 20 ).Last edited by Wipey; 02-17-2015 at 08:10 AM.
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02-20-2015, 05:13 AM #17Community Member
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Bow use does suck in heroics, we all know that. It picks up steam a bit when you can lob paralysers and slayers, but I've done 3x ranger, 3x monk, 1x fighter, 1x rogue ranged builds. So I'm starting with +9 bow damage, without stat modifiers. Have 10% alacrity crafted at level 3, and some ml 2 shock bow of bleeding. Scrag at 4, Silver bow at 6/8, and just about every other bow in the game. Originally Posted by Wipey
I melee'd for like 4 levels or less, but those levels go by in an hour or two. And it doesnt matter what build or weapon you have in those early levels, if you know how to play and know the content, it's whatever.
Strategic Combat and Know the Angels at around level 4, swap it out for elven grace at around level 7. Not picking up 10k or manyshot until very late doesn't matter because you don't have the BAB or wis high enough in low heroics to make those feats mean much. The dps is much less than melee but given that you can initiate combat while the mobs are standing around looking stupid, it was seldom a problem.
I pugged it the first ten levels if no friends were around. You can't solo a dex based elf paladin with every feat spec'd for ranged and no trapping, healing or PRR. Well you could but that would be dumb.
I guess I would say it's a nice way to get a melee past life on a ranged spec toon that the player was comfortable ranging. It would be a nightmare on a first or even third life. 6rgr/6mnk/8whatever is more forgiving but it still has the same problems. Pure ranger also is a mess until about level 12. There's no getting around it if you want to be an archer you gotta grind it.
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