Thank you is enough, really

[Wipey]

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[Braegan]

You are not being unreasonable in your examples.

[elkorm]

Am I being unreasonable ?

Thanks.

You are Wipey, so your argument is axiomatically invalid.
And, anyways, all your loot belongs to me!

On a more serious note, I made a point over the years to do exactly the same...a big thank you when someone gives or puts something up for roll, and try to give back by having people roll for what I don't need or feel like the guy/gal is dying to have it.

So in the end (just because I agree!), you argument is most probably valid!

Elk

[Faltout]

On a more serious note, I made a point over the years to do exactly the same...a big thank you when someone gives or puts something up for roll, and try to give back by having people roll for what I don't need or feel like the guy/gal is dying to have it.

I just wanted to point out that I don't like when loot assignment comes to a whining contest. If someone wants the loot I roll, they just have to win the roll. No explanations for what they need it for or how hard they've been trying to get it. Everyone can lie, but more importantly, not everyone wants to drop to the level of complaining to get some loot.

The prime example: "I need a supreme power shard, need it to upgrade my last item and TR". Well, I need it too but won't go saying I've run it 5 times without getting one. When the shards drop, you'll see about 3-4 shards reserved for that person that then go to waste because he doesn't need them and it's too late to pass them on to others since the others have finished.

So what I'm trying to say is keep some professionalism when requesting loot and when handing out loot. Ask questions like "Is this up for roll?" to request loot.
When giving away loot, designate ONE UNIQUE die roll for each group of similar items (yeah, 3 different rolls for 3 same shards all won by the same person... madness) (3 same rolls for 3 different items resulting in the winning person getting the item he wants and 2 useless items that some others wanted...)

And, to reply to the question of the OP, saying thank you when you win loot put up for roll is not necessary, just you do the same and put your loot up for roll. Saying thank you if someone does you a courtesy to pass you some loot without putting it up for roll deserves a thank you, but you should always put the loot up for roll if you're gonna pass it. Who are you to judge who is more suited to get the loot?

[psykopeta]

I just wanted to point out that I don't like when loot assignment comes to a whining contest. If someone wants the loot I roll, they just have to win the roll. No explanations for what they need it for or how hard they've been trying to get it. Everyone can lie, but more importantly, not everyone wants to drop to the level of complaining to get some loot.

The prime example: "I need a supreme power shard, need it to upgrade my last item and TR". Well, I need it too but won't go saying I've run it 5 times without getting one. When the shards drop, you'll see about 3-4 shards reserved for that person that then go to waste because he doesn't need them and it's too late to pass them on to others since the others have finished.

So what I'm trying to say is keep some professionalism when requesting loot and when handing out loot. Ask questions like "Is this up for roll?" to request loot.
When giving away loot, designate ONE UNIQUE die roll for each group of similar items (yeah, 3 different rolls for 3 same shards all won by the same person... madness) (3 same rolls for 3 different items resulting in the winning person getting the item he wants and 2 useless items that some others wanted...)

And, to reply to the question of the OP, saying thank you when you win loot put up for roll is not necessary, just you do the same and put your loot up for roll. Saying thank you if someone does you a courtesy to pass you some loot without putting it up for roll deserves a thank you, but you should always put the loot up for roll if you're gonna pass it. Who are you to judge who is more suited to get the loot?

just saying, i can say roll d66 low, and then do whatever i want

so yes, a thank you is deserved

thank you for buffing

thank your joining

thank your healing

thank your for not healing

thank you, 2 damm words that mean there's some education yet

i think it's not that hard

well, what i most like is those ******** who leave the party w/o saying bye, at this rate i won't ask for thank you, because i guess it's my obligation to accept(or click deny, or not click it directly) the player who is joining

i've the feeling lots of players in ddo think they deserve what they get, that means mostly a brutal lack of education, and amongst other things it produces people being less interested in pugging, not even say putting lfm up

so when players say "that think killed the grouping" i say "brats w/o education killed the grouping"

if you want others to smile, do it yourself too

[Connman]

...Who are you to judge who is more suited to get the loot?

The guy whose name it dropped in?


As far as a thank you, yeah thanks everyone that has helped the Phineur over the years, I try to pay it forward as much as I can.

[psykopeta]

The guy whose name it dropped in?


As far as a thank you, yeah thanks everyone that has helped the Phineur over the years, I try to pay it forward as much as I can.

you're right

guess i will have to turrn back to the "pass to friends or leave it rotting in the chest"

since i wasn't gonna get a thank you, maybe i got some swear/insult

[Connman]

I have been thinking about this thread a bit today.

To the OP yes, thank you is enough. I was thinking about your original title. I tend to be the guy I don't like, lol. I am the "over thanker," I typically say things like. "wow thank you so much I really appreciate it..." When all I want to here is just a simple thank you, you over thankers tend to embarrass me. On that line of thinking actually, I think an emote, the bow, may even be better.

If for some reason I wasn't going to put something up for roll, I would at least loot it and sell it to the guy at the bar. People have made me pretty mad in groups, heck I ended up leaving a guild because of a GT I threw in VOD (PH) just as we finished buffing because I didn't like the way I was talked to, but I wouldn't be so mean as to let it rot.

The main issue I have with passing loot though, and I have been on both sides of this, is when you pass it to the wrong person. It is very embarrassing, especially if the person you passed it to on accident left the raid already.

[Faltout]

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My post didn't come very clear. I didn't say a thank you wasn't desirable, but that it wasn't necessary. I'm seeing this from the perspective of the OP as someone passing loot, expecting something from the player taking the loot, getting nothing and coming to the forums to post about it. And my answer is still that a "thank you" may not fit the frame. You may be in a hurry to check other loot, you may not know yet that someone has passed you loot, the chat may be filled with other comments that will crush a thank you comment.

Winning loot over a die roll is too impersonal to involve any extra pleasantries. If the one giving the loot sends you a tell saying "it's in the chest", he's waiting for an acknowledgement. To that you HAVE to say thank you as an acknowledgement and as a pleasantry. In general, whenever there is discussion involved, a "thank you" might be the ending phrase of it.

I've been in parties where someone is thanking everyone for many things. This gets annoying fast. A "thank you" needs to mean something and its over use diminishes the meaning.

People can leave a party without saying anything because:
- They don't know how to phrase a goodbye. A simple bye is like spitting in the groups faces. A "bye, take care" is better, but still too impersonal. Saying a reason why you're leaving is much better, but what about if you don't want to say the reason. Or if the reason needs further explaining? Sometimes it's just better to leave without saying anything. Just time it to happen when more of the group are leaving at the end or well before the start of the quest.
- Saying it expects a response. I always linger a couple of seconds in the group after saying a goodbye to give time for the party members to type their quick responses. Sometimes I don't have that time, I simply log out.