Best race for harper / assasin rogue ?

[CThruTheEgo]

To overcome low will saves I get the Parasitic Breastplate from the Harbinger of Madness chain. At the Altar of Insanity in the 12 upgrade the plate with will save. The upgrade is +10 Will Save and works great starting at level 15.

nokowi has shown how to get an EE effective will save on a pure assassin. It does require some investment in both build and gear, but it's doable. I don't remember where he had the breakdown, I think it's either in my build thread or his.

[phillymiket]

Good points, I like to shoot, rather than slash or stab. Aside from a repeater it can be good to have a 1 shot regular xbow (prefer Night's Grasp and not sure if they still drop in game).

This is just one version. I do use Harper tree allot too.

http://i.imgur.com/ly8vm3E.jpg

This post shows how I use the Listen skill to get the drop on the baddies. They never had a chance : ) )

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5507803

Ah, Ok, I could see that. Yeah I was thinking more a low down back-stabber type rather than range.
That's why Rogue rocks. So many variety. So much diverse.

[Livmo]

nokowi has shown how to get an EE effective will save on a pure assassin. It does require some investment in both build and gear, but it's doable. I don't remember where he had the breakdown, I think it's either in my build thread or his.

Gear cane make a huge difference. The Shadar in my previous screenie has low will save, because I went with heroic blue dragon scale instead to help those arty spells.

Ah, Ok, I could see that. Yeah I was thinking more a low down back-stabber type rather than range.
That's why Rogue rocks. So many variety. So much diverse.

The Shadar are VERY versatile. Here is one of the Shadar wizzys I'm playing right now (fresh screenie):



EDIT ~ Sneak in and kill with spells.


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Here is a fresh screenie of another Shadar on a different sever running 2 short swords with upgraded Parasitic Plate to +10 Will Save.

EDIT ~ Forgot to mention I'm running this one with a Symbiot and no mixto, all rouge.

[Such755]

I am by no means an expert, but a quick look at a common assassin build will show you that race is not the main issue.
As said before, you will not have enough Action Points to spend on your racial tree, because there are far more important things.
That said:
Human vs Drow: - 2 int less, +1 feat.
Human vs Shadar kai: +1 feat
Drow vs Harper: +2 int

So yes, Harper is the inferior one but ask yourself this: Is the loss really THAT big? Especially the int loss. It's 1 DC of assasinate and 1 rogue skills.

I am playing a level 26 pure rogue, shadar kai, and I can tell you in certainty that I can't tell the difference between any of the losses.
My skills are way above the requirements for pretty much any Epic Elite.
My assassinate DC is a lousy 59, in the wrong ED (Not shadowdancer) and gimped gear and I can tell you with great confidence that my assassinate is almost fail proof on any EE quests. Champions included.

I am a TR junkie, I want to get a completionist and I also have a good amount of work to do on my EDs. So I knew I'm gonna get to level 28, stay there for a bit then TR again. That's why I chose Shadar Kai, start at level 15 and no need to multiclass.

So, if you're like me, you know you wanna hit 28 and TR again, most definitely choose Shadar Kai. The losses are insignificant in this case and personally I think they look awesome, way better than drow for sure.

If you want an end game, super maxed, no loose ends or whatnot, go Human, especially if you're a completionist. As a drow or shadar kai you'll sacrifice a rather important feat for it. Otherwise, drow may work too.

[CThruTheEgo]

My assassinate DC is a lousy 59, in the wrong ED (Not shadowdancer) and gimped gear and I can tell you with great confidence that my assassinate is almost fail proof on any EE quests.

I can say from experience that this is not the case. 59 DC will certainly be no-fail in low and mid level EEs, but is definitely not no-fail in higher level EEs. Try that DC in EE Stormhorns and you'll see about a 5-30% success rate depending on which mob you use it against and whether you have measure the foe up.

[Saekee]

That's right it's only your opinion and certainly not mine. I would take Shadar over Drow, but then again, that's my opinion.

There is no best, but rather varying shades of grey. Stats don't tell the whole story. Paper dragons abound. The person playing the toon is going to make most difference. There are allot of "optimal" builds played poorly every night when I'm on various servers. Some of you don't know it's it me in the PUG throwing you that rez and constantly having to hit you with Coccoon.

Here is Saekee's Guide that pairs well with a Shadar-Kai Assasian, https://sites.google.com/site/ddostealthteamsix/

just mentioning, thanks for the plug Livmo--but it is not my guide! It is Spencerian's. I have offered to help edit it a bit and am testing out different facets of it for future modifications. True, though, for a certain playstyle, it is nice that a shadar-kai can turn a lever in full view of enemies and yet be undiscovered thanks to its cores. Sure, one can stack up on shadowscale clickies and do the same thing, but not all have that option.

[Livmo]

just mentioning, thanks for the plug Livmo--but it is not my guide! It is Spencerian's. I have offered to help edit it a bit and am testing out different facets of it for future modifications. True, though, for a certain playstyle, it is nice that a shadar-kai can turn a lever in full view of enemies and yet be undiscovered thanks to its cores. Sure, one can stack up on shadowscale clickies and do the same thing, but not all have that option.

Please forgive me Spencerian!

I'm used to clicking on your link to get to it Saekee. I probably should bookmark it. I'm on allot of different computers all the time, but need to get it on my main.

I do have some INT/Harpers, but wanted to be consistent with my examples around the same level.

BTW I know you like the scrolls, but that wizzy up there has the skeli and I use him as bait allot : ) ) Poor skeli never complains. Later on in epic I will probably drop the skeli at some point and spend those AP on something else and use the scrolls. TY for the scroll tip as well.

[redoubt]

Shadar Kai vs Drow

Drow gets 2 more INT but loses 2 CON

You will have very few points to spend in a racial tree after getting what you need in assassin and harper.

I do like the Shadow Jaunt. Shadar kai is the only super jump ability to can have as an assassin. You can also use the ethereal option as an escape.

My main has been primarily Drow since the day drow came out, but, for my money, shadar-kai works very well for an assassin.