Stick fighting builds

[jambajuicey]

I remember the old stick fighter build, is there a recent update that is similar for acrobat/stick fighters? Wasnt sure if this was more rog or monk or dru?

[Sehenry03]

Well not sure of the entire build but most stick builds will take at least 2 rogue because the rogue gets a +15% attack speed to staff attacks through AP's plus the enhancement Quickstrike is much better for a rogue then the monks supposed equal version. Plus you can get trap skills if ya want

[unbongwah]

See my halfling Acrobat and Knight of the Holy Stick threads, as well as Zeus.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiYmW0xD5bA

[zichant]

I've been playing 13 rogue/6 monk/1 druid for 2 lives now. I get pretty hefty sneak attack damage and decent defences with shadow veil and a good dodge. The 1 druid level gives ram's might and shillelagh, which can limit your staff options (needs to be wooden to benefit from Shillelagh), but Rahl's Might is wooden and if you upgrade the force version it's a pretty sweet staff. You are also able to get traps (not a lot of INT, but get yourself a +6 item to put on when you're trapping and you'll have no problems provided you put points into your search and DD every level).

Edit: There was a great thread for staff builds but it now has a redirect loop. So much great information out there that seems wasted..

[kgoodson3]

12 rogue/4 fighter/4 barbarian dex based (can do less barb and more fighter or rogue as long as you have 2 barb)

Thief acrobat enhancements to Kip up and expnd crit (esp. improved def. roll and no mercy)
Stalwart defender 1st stance
occult slayer ear smah

rest to taste

[jambajuicey]

Thanks - for flavor was looking to have rog/monk with some mix.. no idea what.. and also no clue to build dex or str? Going to check out that youtube link. Do you go THF or SWF? so many choices? what are the masses doing these days?

[Gemini76]

I've been playing 13 rogue/6 monk/1 druid for 2 lives now. I get pretty hefty sneak attack damage and decent defences with shadow veil and a good dodge. The 1 druid level gives ram's might and shillelagh, which can limit your staff options (needs to be wooden to benefit from Shillelagh), but Rahl's Might is wooden and if you upgrade the force version it's a pretty sweet staff. You are also able to get traps (not a lot of INT, but get yourself a +6 item to put on when you're trapping and you'll have no problems provided you put points into your search and DD every level).

Edit: There was a great thread for staff builds but it now has a redirect loop. So much great information out there that seems wasted..

Try deleting your history and cookies........works for me everytime i get the redirect loop from a ddo forum page

[kgoodson3]

Thanks - for flavor was looking to have rog/monk with some mix.. no idea what.. and also no clue to build dex or str? Going to check out that youtube link. Do you go THF or SWF? so many choices? what are the masses doing these days?

11 Rogue/6 Monk/3 Fighter (for feats) or 3 Paladin (for saves). I would go dex based for defensive roll, but STR based is option too.

Thief acrobat stuff
Ninja spy to Shadow fade
Stalwart defender lvl 3 core for defense

[unbongwah]

12 rogue/4 fighter/4 barbarian dex based (can do less barb and more fighter or rogue as long as you have 2 barb)

Why would you go DEX-based on a build with Rage? Is it just for higher Reflex saves? I would think 13 rog / 4 ftr / 3 barb would be better for extra rog bonus feat, unless I'm missing something from barb 4.

[kgoodson3]

Why would you go DEX-based on a build with Rage? Is it just for higher Reflex saves? I would think 13 rog / 4 ftr / 3 barb would be better for extra rog bonus feat, unless I'm missing something from barb 4.

Nope, you are exactly right. I forgot extra rogue feats were 10, 13, 16 and 19. The extra feat is better than extra rogue level and I would think Opportunist would be the best choice.

[jambajuicey]

Does it matter THF over SWF?

* THF requires 17 str to get GTHF.. meaning str based.
* SWF just requires balance..

Assuming Power Attack either way? min 13 str?

Is it really a trade off of trash dps (THF) vs single target dps (SWF)?

If you go STR is there any reason to not dump (or not invest strong into) DEX?

[kmankowski]

Does it matter THF over SWF?

* THF requires 17 str to get GTHF.. meaning str based.
* SWF just requires balance..

Assuming Power Attack either way? min 13 str?

Is it really a trade off of trash dps (THF) vs single target dps (SWF)?

If you go STR is there any reason to not dump (or not invest strong into) DEX?

A quarterstaff shouldn't qualify for SWF as you must only use one-handed weapons.

[Makkuroi]

I like modern Zeus variants... bladeforged self-healing and immunities make them really hard to kill:

13 rogue 4 pally 3 monk: almost immune to anything, high saves, slippery mind, epic reflexes, dragon skin twist, knockdown immunity from 12 acro

10 rogue 6 monk 4 pally: slightly faster run, 2 more feats, monk incorporeality

both str/cha based for divine might and saves

[jambajuicey]

Any input on this? seems like most of the feats that I'd want are not available until late. The first 12 levels are already done. This was an old old build prior to enhancement pass, opening her enhancement screen shows missing enhancement windows - when I petitioned a GM they said LR. So here I am.. willing to +1 out of dru but alignment is off for pally anyhow.

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Level 28 Lawful Neutral Halfling Male
(6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Druid \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 310
Spell Points: 210 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               6                    20
Bluff                 3                    15
Concentration         2                    28
Diplomacy             3                    15
Disable Device        6                    33
Haggle               -1                     7
Heal                 -1                     9
Hide                  2                    14
Intimidate           -1                     7
Jump                  7                    28
Listen               -1                     9
Move Silently         2                    12
Open Lock             6                    33
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                    10
Search                6                    33
Spellcraft            2                    10
Spot                  3                    30
Swim                  3                    14
Tumble                6                    22
Use Magic Device      3                    30

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 12 (Druid)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+7)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike

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[zichant]

Any input on this? seems like most of the feats that I'd want are not available until late. The first 12 levels are already done. This was an old old build prior to enhancement pass, opening her enhancement screen shows missing enhancement windows - when I petitioned a GM they said LR. So here I am.. willing to +1 out of dru but alignment is off for pally anyhow.

Improved evasion is missing, I would absolutely take that at level 10 rogue. Other than that missing, it looks like a solid build. It is similar to the route I took with my stick build (I took empower heal closer to 20 since it would only benefit my character at 20+ with cocoon). I also took stunning blow, which for a STR based character with ram's might, it's pretty effective.

Try deleting your history and cookies........works for me everytime i get the redirect loop from a ddo forum page

That is incredibly good to know! Thank you so much.

[Makkuroi]

Improved evasion is missing, I would absolutely take that at level 10 rogue. Other than that missing, it looks like a solid build. It is similar to the route I took with my stick build (I took empower heal closer to 20 since it would only benefit my character at 20+ with cocoon). I also took stunning blow, which for a STR based character with ram's might, it's pretty effective.

On a build with decent reflex, id just take epic reflexes at 27 and skip improved evasion for slippery mind. With slippery mind as special rogue ability and dragonhide from DI twisted, you basically dont have to worry about rolling an 1 anymore. On builds with mediocre saves, improved evasion is probably better for half damage on reflex-based spells/traps. Defensive roll isnt that interesting imho, its usually CC that kills you, so slippery mind should be better.

[unbongwah]

Prot. from Evil protects against Gtr Command while FoM protects against Hold spells; OID and PW:Stun have no Will saves (just an SR check); so really the only spell with which Slippery Mind helps at higher lvls is discoballs. That's not really worth a feat slot, IMHO. On a stick build which goes heavy into Acro, I'd take Defensive Roll and max out Imp Defensive Roll.

[zichant]

On a build with decent reflex, id just take epic reflexes at 27 and skip improved evasion for slippery mind.

I suppose if your only concern is doing epic normal quests or some of the easier epic hard content, you don't really need improved evasion. My character has a decent reflex save in the early 50s at level 28 and still fails the reflex save when rolling a 5 or 6 in some of the tougher content. Taking 1/2 damage vs. full damage is huge. I don't really understand how slippery mind could be more useful than improved evasion, but to each their own.

[painkiller3]

I've been playing 13 rogue/6 monk/1 druid for 2 lives now. I get pretty hefty sneak attack damage and decent defences with shadow veil and a good dodge. The 1 druid level gives ram's might and shillelagh, which can limit your staff options (needs to be wooden to benefit from Shillelagh), but Rahl's Might is wooden and if you upgrade the force version it's a pretty sweet staff. You are also able to get traps (not a lot of INT, but get yourself a +6 item to put on when you're trapping and you'll have no problems provided you put points into your search and DD every level).

Edit: There was a great thread for staff builds but it now has a redirect loop. So much great information out there that seems wasted..

Shillelagh lasts one minute per caster level or one minute per level?