Showing respect your fellow player

[Eth]

There are no women on the internet.

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents.

[Wizza]

I never got anyone to tell me that they enjoy grouping with me or appreciate my patience and sense of humor

[MeliCat]

Okay.
Let me explain something.

There are no women on the internet. This means gender does not mater, unless you bring it up. If you bring it up, you are likely attention *****, or expect special treatment. I am tired of people, expecting special privileges, just because of their gender, sexuality, or whatever. I had a player straight up say to me that she is a lesbian, and wants me to treat her differently because of it. Like why? I did not even ask her anything.

Also you need tick skin when you are on internet, or anywhere really. If someone insults you, and you rage, you can only blame yourself. I been told to shut up because "I don't know anything" plenty of times, with plenty of terms. So? I don't care.

Stop expecting special treatment because of your gender. Stop raging on trolls. That's it. Respect must be earned. A lot of women get respect, just because they are woman in real life, but when they need to build it up when they don't have bunch of horny males "respecting(/acting polite" to them because of their gender, they think that they are being discriminated against. Its not the case. You are being treated equally as anyone else.

I might be in the small part with all the white knights,feminists and SJW, but I know this is true. I played many games with women, and none of them got harassed, before doing something that ****ed people off. Any male would get harassed in same case too, but woman usually cant take even a little heckling. Those that can, and just play on, are respected. Those that start screaming -"I am woman, don't do this to me" want preferential treatment because of their gender, and are shunned, because of being worthless human beings, whose only worth is their gender.

Go ahead report me, and call me a harasser. I am just telling it as I see it.

I'd love to believe this. I really would. I totally wish this was true.

[dunklezhan]

white knights,feminists and SJW,

Ahhh, good old labels and boxes. Who doesn't like being labelled and boxed?

/sigh. **** sapiens sapiens. Is there anything you can't make harder than it has to be?

edit: rofl. Our species is a bad word. That says everything I could possibly have said on the subject of why labelling and boxing people is such a silly thing to do, all neatly encapsulated in four tiny stars. Heck, it says everything I could possibly say about the carbon the universe wastes by bothering with our DNA.

[Nefatron]

whoooaa..

What the heck happened to this thread lol

When I first posted it was about respecting players now we got some dude ranting about girls being attention *****s and respect needs to be earned and ... my god man did you mom not hold you dude lol

You need a hug

Anyways, I do agree respect is earned but some level of baseline respect needs to happen instantly when you meet someone.
Are you gonna act disrespectful to your in-laws, boss, girl friends friends cause they have yet to prove them selves to you?

Iunno man your preaching something my 21'st century head just cant wrap arround



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I had to read your post again to see if I was really seeing what i was seeing but it got worse! lol
You generalized a entire sex man lol
Your opinions are yours but...

[Wh070aa]

whoooaa..

What the heck happened to this thread lol

When I first posted it was about respecting players now we got some dude ranting about girls being attention *****s and respect needs to be earned and ... my god man did you mom not hold you dude lol

You need a hug

Anyways, I do agree respect is earned but some level of baseline respect needs to happen instantly when you meet someone.
Are you gonna act disrespectful to your in-laws, boss, girl friends friends cause they have yet to prove them selves to you?

Iunno man your preaching something my 21'st century head just cant wrap arround



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I had to read your post again to see if I was really seeing what i was seeing but it got worse! lol
You generalized a entire sex man lol
Your opinions are yours but...

The thing is, many people expect to be treated as in laws, or bosses, but they don't realize, that they leave impression of a 12 year old that just threw a milk bottle at wall, and get treated as such. This especially applies to pretty females, and elderly, and spoiled kids, as they get treated better, and so expect the base treatment to be better.
On internet you get judged by impression you leave. You don't get the same amount of respect as RL. Baseline respect is way lower than many people think.
As for generalization of something, the thing is that stereotypes are mostly true. Yes there are exceptions, but you can mostly assume things, if couple of factors are in play. I call them red flags, but whatever is fine. If people do certain things, and are of certain background, they tend to fallow some patters of action, and thinking, as they generally have similar experiences, and mindset.

I don't have the time to be politically correct and nice to every stranger. I am polite at first, but if you do certain things, I am categorizing you under a stereotype. The gender, race, or whatever doesn't matter, just that certain genders, or racial backgrounds produce more people that are in the category, and as such are under bigger scrutiny to be in it.

For example, it's generally accepted to teach men not to cry, so after having that bored into them for years, older men are way less likely to cry, when faced with situations where some people would cry. Same with age categories, if you grew up in 80's, its likely that you like 80's music, and have stronger belief in propaganda that they were spreading at the time. Its not guaranteed, but if you look around that age, and listen to the music, well I gonna apply the stereotype to you, and be right most of the time, and as such know what to say, and not say, allowing for better , happier interactions (not pointing out positive things about communism for example).

Stereotyping allows better interactions with people that you don't know. It's a good thing.

I was just pointing out that the way about the OP is acting likely means that she has not earned any respect from players she wanted respect from, and reasons why, and tips on how to earn the respect.

Also just consider the points I made, instead of stereotyping me as a person that "needs a hug", and is "not loved by his mother". I just came back from eating dinner with her, thank you wherry much. Whats up with the personal attacks, instead of actual discussion of the topic.

I don't candy coat my words when talking to people I don't care about, especially when they do nothing that wold warrant respect to them, or do something that warrants disrespect. OP just seemed ignorant of what she did to earn the said disrespect.

Anyhow /popcorn.

[sebastianosmith]

Stereotyping allows better interactions with people that you don't know. It's a good thing.

...

Also just consider the points I made, instead of stereotyping me as a person that "needs a hug", and is "not loved by his mother".

[Nefatron]

aaaahahahahahahahha

[Noobtastic]

Stereotypes are dangerous when applied to individuals. They are only useful in the context of evaluating the properties of a group. Individuals should not be boxed or labeled accordingly. For instance the stereotypical female shoe size is 7. As a shoe store manager it may be useful to stock more size 7 shoes as you are catering to the group. But as an employee you certainly wouldn't try to put a size 7 shoe on every female that walks into the store. I'm sure you can see how absolutely ridiculous it is to automatically apply the stereotype to an individual.

[Kawai]

Stereotypes are dangerous when applied to individuals. They are only useful in the context of evaluating the properties of a group. Individuals should not be boxed or labeled accordingly. For instance the stereotypical female shoe size is 7. As a shoe store manager it may be useful to stock more size 7 shoes as you are catering to the group. But as an employee you certainly wouldn't try to put a size 7 shoe on every female that walks into the store. I'm sure you can see how absolutely ridiculous it is to automatically apply the stereotype to an individual.

Shooooooooes!
...so shineyyyyyyy...

sz 4 pls ^.^

[Kawai]

I never got anyone to tell me that they enjoy grouping with me or appreciate my patience and sense of humor

become a Thelani, Wizzy. we'd luvz ya

[TrinityTurtle]

To sum up this white knight thread:

- Men are evil

- Women are kind princesses

Great way to miss the point of the thread! Which is: Men and Woman are both human beings, and should be treated the same. Women should not be treated like they are: Stupid, sex objects, require assistance in quests, or are lower than dirt; the minute their voice on voice chat identifies them. No one is asking for special treatment, we're asking to be treated regularly, and NOT get special treatment.

[Saekee]

The thing is, many people expect to be treated as in laws, or bosses, but they don't realize, that they leave impression of a 12 year old that just threw a milk bottle at wall, and get treated as such. This especially applies to pretty females, and elderly, and spoiled kids, as they get treated better, and so expect the base treatment to be better.
On internet you get judged by impression you leave. You don't get the same amount of respect as RL. Baseline respect is way lower than many people think.
As for generalization of something, the thing is that stereotypes are mostly true. Yes there are exceptions, but you can mostly assume things, if couple of factors are in play. I call them red flags, but whatever is fine. If people do certain things, and are of certain background, they tend to fallow some patters of action, and thinking, as they generally have similar experiences, and mindset.

I don't have the time to be politically correct and nice to every stranger. I am polite at first, but if you do certain things, I am categorizing you under a stereotype. The gender, race, or whatever doesn't matter, just that certain genders, or racial backgrounds produce more people that are in the category, and as such are under bigger scrutiny to be in it.

For example, it's generally accepted to teach men not to cry, so after having that bored into them for years, older men are way less likely to cry, when faced with situations where some people would cry. Same with age categories, if you grew up in 80's, its likely that you like 80's music, and have stronger belief in propaganda that they were spreading at the time. Its not guaranteed, but if you look around that age, and listen to the music, well I gonna apply the stereotype to you, and be right most of the time, and as such know what to say, and not say, allowing for better , happier interactions (not pointing out positive things about communism for example).

Stereotyping allows better interactions with people that you don't know. It's a good thing.

I was just pointing out that the way about the OP is acting likely means that she has not earned any respect from players she wanted respect from, and reasons why, and tips on how to earn the respect.

Also just consider the points I made, instead of stereotyping me as a person that "needs a hug", and is "not loved by his mother". I just came back from eating dinner with her, thank you wherry much. Whats up with the personal attacks, instead of actual discussion of the topic.

I don't candy coat my words when talking to people I don't care about, especially when they do nothing that wold warrant respect to them, or do something that warrants disrespect. OP just seemed ignorant of what she did to earn the said disrespect.

Anyhow /popcorn.

I think you are confusing the terms stereotyping vs making generalizations because stereotypes are born from false generalizations--which in fact is about every statement you have made except when specifically referring to your own actions.
Strange that you celebrate this, making me think--have you reflected critically about masculinity?

[Inoukchuk]

The thing is, many people expect to be treated as in laws, or bosses, but they don't realize, that they leave impression of a 12 year old that just threw a milk bottle at wall, and get treated as such. This especially applies to pretty females, and elderly, and spoiled kids, as they get treated better, and so expect the base treatment to be better.
On internet you get judged by impression you leave. You don't get the same amount of respect as RL. Baseline respect is way lower than many people think.
As for generalization of something, the thing is that stereotypes are mostly true. Yes there are exceptions, but you can mostly assume things, if couple of factors are in play. I call them red flags, but whatever is fine. If people do certain things, and are of certain background, they tend to fallow some patters of action, and thinking, as they generally have similar experiences, and mindset.

I don't have the time to be politically correct and nice to every stranger. I am polite at first, but if you do certain things, I am categorizing you under a stereotype. The gender, race, or whatever doesn't matter, just that certain genders, or racial backgrounds produce more people that are in the category, and as such are under bigger scrutiny to be in it.

For example, it's generally accepted to teach men not to cry, so after having that bored into them for years, older men are way less likely to cry, when faced with situations where some people would cry. Same with age categories, if you grew up in 80's, its likely that you like 80's music, and have stronger belief in propaganda that they were spreading at the time. Its not guaranteed, but if you look around that age, and listen to the music, well I gonna apply the stereotype to you, and be right most of the time, and as such know what to say, and not say, allowing for better , happier interactions (not pointing out positive things about communism for example).

Stereotyping allows better interactions with people that you don't know. It's a good thing.

I was just pointing out that the way about the OP is acting likely means that she has not earned any respect from players she wanted respect from, and reasons why, and tips on how to earn the respect.

Also just consider the points I made, instead of stereotyping me as a person that "needs a hug", and is "not loved by his mother". I just came back from eating dinner with her, thank you wherry much. Whats up with the personal attacks, instead of actual discussion of the topic.

I don't candy coat my words when talking to people I don't care about, especially when they do nothing that wold warrant respect to them, or do something that warrants disrespect. OP just seemed ignorant of what she did to earn the said disrespect.

Anyhow /popcorn.

His manner is abrupt and off-putting, but if you look past the less appropriate stuff... lost in there somewhere he actually makes some valid points. It's a little like the premise behind the show "The Voice" - your try-out is blind so that they can judge your talent without prejudice. Why? Because we all are guilty of it, every last one of us, to some degree or another. The internet is much the same. His points about people getting treated differently in RL is accurate, I know I do it myself. If you are a child, or elderly, and yes probably even a woman, I'm going to generally try harder to be appropriate, polite, kind, whatever than I am with some 20 year old wearing his hat sideways and his jeans around his mid-thigh. On the internet, we all start off anonymous and equal and are judged on our social interaction.

This ignores, of course, that in voice chat people can hear if you are female and may well react differently to you, sometimes in a negative way. But the other side of the conversation ignores the real possibility that the OP did something to provoke this kind of response. None of us know, and the response was almost certainly inappropriate regardless..... so let's focus on that. Even if you lose respect for someone, unless they've done something heinous or attacked you personally in some way, there is no call for personal attacks like the ones directed towards the OP. A mild loss of respect isn't the same as "feel free to openly and aggressively treat with disrespect". Can we all agree on that? Everything seems like over-thinking the obvious.

[Cordovan]

This thread is no longer productive, and needs to be closed. As always, harassment can be reported in-game using the harassment tools available.