Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
They didn't do a system wide change. Champions were implemented in 2 of the 4 difficulties.
Deliberately misleading point above!

I said nothing about Quest difficulty levels whatsoever - My complaints have absolutely NOTHING to do with Hard or Elite!

Champions were implemented in every quest in the game no matter what that meant to the quest in question {Tomb of the Tormented and Champions rats/worgs for example!}



Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
This is what Vint is saying, in context to your analogy. If the guy in your example loves the pit, but complains about spies to the point where spies gets changed and people who used to like spies no longer do, then he has no right to be peeved when people complain about the pit and it gets changed into something he no longer likes. This is the direct contradiction in logic people are pointing out regarding demanding changes which essentially affect entire playstyles (usually not the playstyle of the people making the demands).
Those two quests were chosen because they require the exact same playstyle!

A Nerf to one would be by definition a Nerf to the other!

However - My personal issue with The Pit being the insane Air-Jet room means that a single change to that room would be neither a Nerf to The Pit OR affect Spies in any way!
In my example - Let's say the guy who hates Spies does so because of the fire elementals/air elementals floating on thin air away from the pipes and basically requiring either a Ranged character or a Caster to take down!
Fixing those Elementals so they STAY on the Pipes would not be a Nerf to Spies OR affect The Pit in any way!


Making suggestions is NOT asking for Nerfs!


Equating every complaint whether legitimate or not to someone asking for Nerfs is very wrong!