Vip - rip

[Lanhelin]

I'm a returner. You'll easily recognize me as my toon actually is named "Returner" (on Wayfinder, 1st life to get in again, Rogue/Wiz planned) and performing as bad as you guys at Turbine probably bet on?! When I left, quests on Khorthos were easy, almost all even on Elite, except the one where to keep the npc alive. All fine, but now I fail at the "defeat the chrystal" quest all the time (lol? w.t.f.?), because on every attempt two champions spawn and kill me and my hire with one hit instantly. I do not know what the deeper sense of this gameplay design decision was? If I was Turbine, I'd probably say: well, we know we made this game - but we don't want you to be vip (because DDO is dead) - and if you dare anyway, we simply kill you. Is this your very intention? If not, then this clearly is a bug (I wonder why it not had been mentioned already) that has to be removed now.

Edit:
I mean, what is the incentive nowadays to become a VIP? Getting all the content but getting ripped in the first elite quest? No, definitely not. Please, take a little more time to think about your decisions - or explain the hyper-10-times-reincarnated-it's-still-a-challenge difficulty increase! Or should I move DDO directly into the desktop-basket, should I uninstall, is this your intention? I want an answer, please.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

youre getting oneshot?

howd you manage to remove the free feat you get at lvl 1 which gives you +1 hp? max grats.

[Braegan]

I'm a returner. You'll easily recognize me as my toon actually is named "Returner" (on Wayfinder, 1st life to get in again, Rogue/Wiz planned) and performing as bad as you guys at Turbine probably bet on?! When I left, quests on Khorthos were easy, almost all even on Elite, except the one where to keep the npc alive. All fine, but now I fail at the "defeat the chrystal" quest all the time (lol? w.t.f.?), because on every attempt two champions spawn and kill me and my hire with one hit instantly. I do not know what the deeper sense of this gameplay design decision was? If I was Turbine, I'd probably say: well, we know we made this game - but we don't want you to be vip (because DDO is dead) - and if you dare anyway, we simply kill you. Is this your very intention? If not, then this clearly is a bug (I wonder why it not had been mentioned already) that has to be removed now.

So you left when the game was easy and now you want to quit because the game is hard?

I am sure somewhere there is porridge just right for you.

Sarcasm aside, did you try a group or solo?

Did you use a hire?

Did you make use of Hypno or Charm Person as a wizzy?

So many tools available, I am just wondering what ones you tried and failed with.

[Tebaco]

btw you have several options how to manage it alone. Just use cookies dude.

[Lanhelin]

It seems like no one of you actually read (ok, maybe read) but could not understand the words.

It's a 1st life char (no reincarnation). I started at the beach. Did the beach quest to Khorthos, no level up 'til now, then entered the "protect the chrystal" quest on Elite (bought the Cleric Hire before) - I enter the instance and after three enemies attacked a champ appears that runs right to the chrystal, destroys it with one hit, then a second champ appears and both destroy me and my hire. Believe it or not. Turbine has to believe - and this simply is frustrating.

[Alizar]

It seems like no one of you actually read (ok, maybe read) but could not understand the words.

It's a 1st life char (no reincarnation). I started at the beach. Did the beach quest to Khorthos, no level up 'til now, then entered the "protect the chrystal" quest on Elite (bought the Cleric Hire before) - I enter the instance and after three enemies attacked a champ appears that runs right to the chrystal, destroys it with one hit, then a second champ appears and both destroy me and my hire. Believe it or not. Turbine has to believe - and this simply is frustrating.

I simply take the lvl 1 barb hire in there and never fail. If what you try fails then change tactics. That's why we have brains.

[Tebaco]

It seems like no one of you actually read (ok, maybe read) but could not understand the words.

It's a 1st life char (no reincarnation). I started at the beach. Did the beach quest to Khorthos, no level up 'til now, then entered the "protect the chrystal" quest on Elite (bought the Cleric Hire before) - I enter the instance and after three enemies attacked a champ appears that runs right to the chrystal, destroys it with one hit, then a second champ appears and both destroy me and my hire. Believe it or not. Turbine has to believe - and this simply is frustrating.

Your fail seems correct to me. You running lvl1 on elite so its lvl3 quest I think. And your toon is lvl1. And you choose bad hire. Much better is try barbarian hire. If you want run it elite, get help. If no help cooming try other quest. Running lvl3 with lvl1 adventurer is really bad idea.

[phillymiket]

Without getting into the Champs -vs- No Champs argument...

Try Byron Scoutsword the Level 1 WF Barbarian Hireling instead of a healer.

Byron agros very fast on mobs and draws them to him and away from the crystal quite well.

This trumps hjeals in there.

You may need one or two tries until fortune favors you.

I ran a untwinked toon through the island last week and that's how I got through that quest.

Edit - ninja'ed

I simply take the lvl 1 barb hire

Srry alizar didnt see u already said that.

[Lanhelin]

If "take the barb instead of the cleric" was the best advice, it's easy to try. I'll report soon. But where is the memo for "Take the Barb!"?, who actually never was taken before, at least when I last was on.

[Vulkoorex]

I'm a returner. You'll easily recognize me as my toon actually is named "Returner" (on Wayfinder, 1st life to get in again, Rogue/Wiz planned) and performing as bad as you guys at Turbine probably bet on?! When I left, quests on Khorthos were easy, almost all even on Elite, except the one where to keep the npc alive. All fine, but now I fail at the "defeat the chrystal" quest all the time (lol? w.t.f.?), because on every attempt two champions spawn and kill me and my hire with one hit instantly. I do not know what the deeper sense of this gameplay design decision was? If I was Turbine, I'd probably say: well, we know we made this game - but we don't want you to be vip (because DDO is dead) - and if you dare anyway, we simply kill you. Is this your very intention? If not, then this clearly is a bug (I wonder why it not had been mentioned already) that has to be removed now.

Edit:
I mean, what is the incentive nowadays to become a VIP? Getting all the content but getting ripped in the first elite quest? No, definitely not. Please, take a little more time to think about your decisions - or explain the hyper-10-times-reincarnated-it's-still-a-challenge difficulty increase! Or should I move DDO directly into the desktop-basket, should I uninstall, is this your intention? I want an answer, please.

Read the Monster Champions 100+ pages thread. Basically kills the under level solo elite zerg. Recommend to solo run Elite at or above level with hireling. Plus get in a guild as its a must now with the Monster Champions if you solo. Or get into groups when questing.

The advantages of opening elite quests as a VIP is not really as attractive as it was once before.

V.

[phillymiket]

If "take the barb instead of the cleric" was the best advice, it's easy to try. I'll report soon. But where is the memo for "Take the Barb!"?, who actually never was taken before, at least when I last was on.

Yeah, its like casters using masters touch and a axe. some stuff is counter-intuitive.

Make sure you LOOK at Byron so you know when a wave starts. Byron sees all and always charges.(put him on aggressive o/c and let him move where he wants)

First wave - just a guy - easy.
second wave - caster - easy if you get their agro away from crystal.
third wave - Byron charge the center of the room for first mob but you must back up to protect the crystal becuase three more mobs are stealthing towards it from the other corner that Byron won't see! You need to hit all three and agro them then try to kill. dont try to kill one with the other two hitting the crystal.
Next - two casters. You must hit the guy Byron didn't go for.
Next wave - posiible Red Name. Everything comes from doorway so its pretty easy to block crystal.
Last wave - easy.

[Vint]

This is interesting.

I'll check back later to see if this issue is a result of needing to balance classes.

[Lanhelin]

Y
First wave - just a guy - easy.
second wave - caster - easy if you get their agro away from crystal.
third wave - Byron charge the center of the room for first mob but you must back up to protect the crystal becuase three more mobs are stealthing towards it from the other corner that Byron won't see! You ned to hit all three and agro them then try to kill. dont try to kill one with the other two hitting the crystal.
Next - two casters. You must hit the guy Byron didn't go for.
Next wave - posiible Red Name. Everything comes from doorway so its pretty easy to block crystal.
Last wave - easy.

Just tried this, looked great, but in the third wave a champ appeared, I managed to get his attention but he killed me instead of the chrystal

[phillymiket]

Just tried this, looked great, but in the third wave a champ appeared, I managed to get his attention but he killed me instead of the chrystal

Yeah, i failed once too, just a poorly timed champ...

Try again you will get it. :-)

also the 'protect hydon' quest coming up might need a second go if a unlucky champ shows up but the good news is...the crystal one and maybe protect hayden one are the most frustrating quests you'll see for a good while.

At least in the Harbor you will be able to run away when a crazy champ pops up and try to fight him alone without his minor minions to help him (like the boss) ;-)

[Lanhelin]

Got it. I hided behind the chrystal in the edge and with the barb hire. man, gameplay changed pretty fundamental the last year. Nevertheless - where is the memo for the vips, the returners, the >newbies< ? Or just link to this thread, then everything is ok? lol.

[phillymiket]

Got it. I hided behind the chrystal in the edge and with the barb hire. man, gameplay changed pretty fundamental the last year. Nevertheless - where is the memo for the vips, the returners, the >newbies< ? Or just link to this thread, then everything is ok? lol.

/high five

When you head out to Protect Heydon maybe switch back to healer so u can heal him between waves. I don't bother setting Hire to protect Heydon because hires so dumb. i just set them to aggressive and hope they pull agro off Heydon then manually heal him between waves.

Charge whoever Heydon is fighting and stand between him and a Champ if one shows up.

Gratz and good luck

[Braegan]

Just because I am not just talking out my...

This is a first life right off the boat, no real gear or plat. Quest done with hire on 1st time. I got three champs, first two charmed easy, last one took two charms. I choose a 1st life human wizzy as that was as a normal an option I could pick. The "extra" build points put into Dex, no real wizzy rolls without Insightful Reflexes anyways so it was a was of build points if making a point. A drow would've meant better DC. As a premium player I did get two practice runs on norm and hard to unlock elite, hence the play to buy the hire off the boat, heh.

Of all the classes I feel the least bad for it is something like a Wizard who has some of the best ability to cover anything, they are so versatile. If more than one ran at me and the crystal I Hypnod them. I charmed one, let them fight. As my charm pet got low on hp I would charm another and dismiss charm on the low hp one.

[Lanhelin]

I'm a Rogue. I cannot charm (yet).

Are you trying to say that nowadays one has to make a charm-able char to beat the first quests on Khothos? If yes, then what about the others? If no, then why this posting?

[Braegan]

I'm a Rogue. I cannot charm (yet).

Are you trying to say that nowadays one has to make a charm-able char to beat the first quests on Khothos? If yes, then what about the others? If no, then why this posting?

Your OP mentions being a Wiz/Rog plan in the makes. I didn't note your level if you mentioned it or what class you started with.

Do you want me to do it on a rogue as well?

I am not saying you have to make a Enchant spec charmer to level up. But, it used to stand that if you were soloing as a caster having both charm and summon spells were a boon. If you are another class then there are tricks for those said classes as well.

Nevertheless, it seems your le doom post has solved itself as you beat the quest.

Now in hindsight, was it really worth a post borderline rant for something you got past an hour later?

[Lanhelin]

Do you want me to do it on a rogue as well?

Do it. A fresh 1st life rogue, build for wizard, so max int, with the cleric hire. Or barb, like nowadays. Do it and report here.