Looking for help on a Pali build please!

[LargoKeyWest]

Ok, to start off, got a few rules..

Rule #1:... NO MONKS
Rule #2:... Need Zeal and Holy Sword
Rule #3:... NO MONKS
Rule #4:... Two Weapon Fighter
Rule #5:... NO MONKS
Rule #6:... 1 lvl Fighter for Heavy Armor proficiency & a feat for Dwarven Waraxes (plus shields if things get ugly and I need to tank up)
Rule #7:... NO MONKS
Rule #8:... 4 lvls Ranger for skill points and some badly needed auto feats for TWF (and some help with ranged)
Rule #9:... NO MONKS
Rule #10:... Completionist

Ok, so I figure go Drow... the boost to Dex, Int, and Cha, along with the Spell Resistance makes it a no brainer. Add Ambidexterity on top of it and its a sure deal. Just need help on the stats and when to take which feats. Figured Harpers with Int to hit/dam and 'Know the Angles' is just icing on the cake.

If someone can help me work out the nitty gritty details would be much obliged.. thanks! Basically want to be a DPS monster with excellent survivability.

PS: In case I failed to mention it earlier.. NO MONKS!

Have Colors of the Queen 3x & Doublestrike 2x

Anyways, running with +6 tomes across the board & have the following past lives:

Artificer 3x
Barbarian 3x
Bard 2X (working on 3rd now)
Cleric 1x
Druid 1x
Favored Soul 1x
Fighter 3x
Monk 1x
Paladin 3x
Ranger 3x
Rogue 3x
Sorcerer 1x
Wizard 1x

[MacRighteous]

4 levels of Ranger is only going to net you one auto granted TWF feat and set you just shy of manyshot... I say go 6 levels of Ranger or stay home.

Heavy Armor and general Shield proficiency are auto granted with Paladin levels - so what you really need are feat slots.

You ruled out Monk, so I'm thinking your best go is 4 fighter levels. That makes 6 feats from 16 levels of Pally and 5 more from the 4 fighter levels (6 if you go human) for a total of 11 feats if Drow or 12 if Human.

You have to take a deity feat at your first paladin level so we have 10/11 feats to work with and you want to take 1 feat for D.Axes and 1 feat for Completionist leaving us with 8/9 feats: Drow/Human

Pally melee must have feats are:

1. PA or Precision
2. 3 in your fighting style... in this case TWF
3. IC: Slashing

(Also, you'll want CleavesX2 if you don't plan to invest in KotC tree for the cleaves there - which you should)

No doubt you will dump Wis so FoP for will saves is highly desirable

Emp Healing and a meta magic - either Extend or Quicken Spell ( or both) is quite nice in higher heroics and epics

That puts us at 11 feats with no defensive feats like Shield Mastery, Shield Bash or ISM

If you go Human you could work in Shield Bash since Shielding will be limited.

I dont think you could work that out with just 4 Ranger levels even with one auto granted TWF feat...

How firm on Ranger levels are you?


EDIT: Having said all that I see unbongwah has worked out a pretty nice Drow 15 Paladin/5 Ranger option: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...yers-%28U23%29

[Feagor]

What about level 6 monk, you'll get shadow veil and other goodies...



... running and hiding..!

[Tilomere]

You can just make a standard 20 BF THF paladin and toss a nightforge spike with WW twisted when you want some ranged dps. There are speed soft caps to ranged/thrown dps, so WW will be good enough, and you can drop it and you still have a full power pali. Maybe invest 1 feat into IC:Thrown.

[Feagor]

Having said all that I see unbongwah has worked out a pretty nice Drow 15 Paladin/5 Ranger option: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5468602

The 14/6 Pal/Rgr version is something very nice that I would try.
It gives you auto granted TWF feats, MS and let you pick Dance of Death (along with haste boost, is a huge boost to dps when you surrounded by mobs).

[unbongwah]

The 14/6 Pal/Rgr version is something very nice that I would try.
It gives you auto granted TWF feats, MS and let you pick Dance of Death (along with haste boost, is a huge boost to dps when you surrounded by mobs).

15/5 is better melee DPS (Zeal); 14/6 gives you more flexibility with feats (and lvl 6 rgr cores, if you want any).

[Kentpb]

Ok, to start off, got a few rules..

Rule #1:... NO MONKS
Rule #2:... Need Zeal and Holy Sword
Rule #3:... NO MONKS
Rule #4:... Two Weapon Fighter
Rule #5:... NO MONKS
Rule #6:... 1 lvl Fighter for Heavy Armor proficiency & a feat for Dwarven Waraxes (plus shields if things get ugly and I need to tank up)
Rule #7:... NO MONKS
Rule #8:... 4 lvls Ranger for skill points and some badly needed auto feats for TWF (and some help with ranged)
Rule #9:... NO MONKS
Rule #10:... Completionist

Ok, so I figure go Drow... the boost to Dex, Int, and Cha, along with the Spell Resistance makes it a no brainer. Add Ambidexterity on top of it and its a sure deal. Just need help on the stats and when to take which feats. Figured Harpers with Int to hit/dam and 'Know the Angles' is just icing on the cake.

If someone can help me work out the nitty gritty details would be much obliged.. thanks! Basically want to be a DPS monster with excellent survivability.

PS: In case I failed to mention it earlier.. NO MONKS!

Have Colors of the Queen 3x & Doublestrike 2x

Anyways, running with +6 tomes across the board & have the following past lives:

Artificer 3x
Barbarian 3x
Bard 2X (working on 3rd now)
Cleric 1x
Druid 1x
Favored Soul 1x
Fighter 3x
Monk 1x
Paladin 3x
Ranger 3x
Rogue 3x
Sorcerer 1x
Wizard 1x
Ok lets start with a monk splash :} lol
Well really this is what I came up with
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Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Male
(15 Paladin \ 4 Ranger \ 1 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 476
Spell Points: 721
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 22
Will: 19

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28) (Level 28)
Strength 16 30 32
Dexterity 14 21 21
Constitution 14 21 21
Intelligence 12 19 19
Wisdom 10 17 17
Charisma 14 21 25

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 14
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 14
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 18
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 18
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 18
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 18
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 18

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28) (Level 28)
Balance 4 16 26
Bluff 2 7 17
Concentration 6 28 38
Diplomacy 2 7 17
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 2 7 17
Heal 4 26 36
Hide 2 5 15
Intimidate 2 7 17
Jump 7 27 37
Listen 0 3 15
Move Silently 2 5 15
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 1 4 17
Search 1 4 19
Spellcraft 3 10 20
Spot 4 10 22
Swim 7 18 28
Tumble n/a 5.5 15.5
Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+3)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1.5)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Empowered Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Avenging Cleave (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Avenging Cleave (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Avenging Cleave (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resistance Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
run in Legendary Dreadnought
twist - Rejuvenation Cocoon
- Endless Smiting
- Sense Weakness
so no room for Shield feats but got better
1 wiz lev why +10% ac from all sources "Improved Mage Armor", 1 more cleave, big boost in sp, free extend spell, and the big sell endless sp for Rejuvenation Cocoon "echoes of power"
Hope this helps but if you use another build plz post here so I can see :}

p.s. planer dose not let you put in +6 stat tome's yet so add that

[LargoKeyWest]

so no room for Shield feats but got better
1 wiz lev why +10% ac from all sources "Improved Mage Armor", 1 more cleave, big boost in sp, free extend spell, and the big sell endless sp for Rejuvenation Cocoon "echoes of power"
Hope this helps but if you use another build plz post here so I can see :}

p.s. planer dose not let you put in +6 stat tome's yet so add that

This looks amazing.. but I don't think Improved Mage Armor work with heavy armor like full plate.. so not sure what the +10% AC will be.. Also.. why Follower of the Sovereign Host? Going to definitely give this build a run.. SO much thanks

[Loromir]

This looks amazing.. but I don't think Improved Mage Armor work with heavy armor like full plate.. so not sure what the +10% AC will be.. Also.. why Follower of the Sovereign Host? Going to definitely give this build a run.. SO much thanks

I'm not sure giving up Zeal is worth it to take the single Wiz Level. IIRC, Mage Armor does NOT stack with Heavy Armor. Eldritch Strike is just OK...not great IMO.


FYI...the strongest character in my stable right now is my human pure paladin (THF).

[LargoKeyWest]

I'm not sure giving up Zeal is worth it to take the single Wiz Level. IIRC, Mage Armor does NOT stack with Heavy Armor. Eldritch Strike is just OK...not great IMO.


FYI...the strongest character in my stable right now is my human pure paladin (THF).

I think 15 Pali (this build) lets me have to 4th lvl spells, Zeal and Holy Sword... I think the biggest offer he had in the wiz lvl was for Echos of Power, but I don't think healing or SP will ever be an issue (I have both a Ring of Sell Storing AND an Epic Ring of Spell Storing, so can swap them in at any time.)

My wanting a Fighter lvl was so I could have Tower Shield Proficiency with the Heavy Armor, in case I needed to tank up. It would also let me jump to my flavor Scimitars when needed, as it gives me every melee proficiency.... nice to have options. Something I just don't understand.. is Drow gives enhancements for Scimitars, but not proficiency... need a class for that . If they would just give Drow Khopesh/Scimitar/Shuriken.. I am absolutely POSITIVE there would be a huge uptick in Drow usage.

[Kentpb]

This looks amazing.. but I don't think Improved Mage Armor work with heavy armor like full plate.. so not sure what the +10% AC will be.. Also.. why Follower of the Sovereign Host? Going to definitely give this build a run.. SO much thanks

so ya free feat at lev 5 you don't need a big scorp to fight for you so the big free heal :}

[Kentpb]

This looks amazing.. but I don't think Improved Mage Armor work with heavy armor like full plate.. so not sure what the +10% AC will be.. Also.. why Follower of the Sovereign Host? Going to definitely give this build a run.. SO much thanks

Did test on lev 7 test pally
AC
10 base
2 dex
15 armor
7 shield
1 deflection
8 misc
3 feat
total 46 10% of that is 4.6
total AC with improved Mage armor came to 51
so it works
Glad you like the build if you want to see more check out Kent's Custom Character Builds thread