Never played a caster

[dondaley]

I havne't played a caster and just tr'd into one.. he is a 2 pally/18 sorc warforged, but I need ideas for the enhancements and feat build. something simple to play with survivablity to get into the caster style of playing. Thanks

[DarthCaedus]

At low levels I normally use a great sword with master's touch for proficiency as spells are underwhelming at lower levels.

Depending on how long you plan to play this build you may want to drop the 2 paladin levels. There is a nerf coming that will limit the save bonus from divine grace. 2 favored soul (if going fire and force) or 2 monk are probably better choices for a splash. If you want to use armor/shield for MRR/PRR 2 fighter is a better splash than 2 pal. If you definitely want to go 2 paladin you may want to consider bladeforged for the extra low-cost reconstruct sla.

First thing you have to decide with casting is to focus on DC or dump DC. DC determines whether your spells land. If you aren't sure water savant with force as backup is a safe bet because many cold spells are effective even with a lower DC - and of course so is the magic missle line. Also, the frost lance 3rd tier SLA is probably the best available SLA for sorcs.

If you go with DC you need these feats in addition to other feats:

Spell Focus Evocation
Greater Spell Focus Evocation
Heighten
Epic Spell Focus Evocation

Mandatory Feats include:
Empower (adds to spell power)
Maximize (adds to spell power)
Quicken (not really mandatory on a sorc but you should take if it's your first time playing a caster)

Other useful Feats (can fit in all of these if dumping DC):
Mental Toughness
Improvement Mental Toughness
Epic Mental Toughness
Toughness
Epic Toughness
Epic Spellpower
Ruin

For maxing spell damage you want to get the highest possible spell power and crits. Sources include:

Spell Power:
Spellcraft skill (max out and get spellcraft item/augment + skill tome)
Item
Implement bonus (from item)
Enhancement Trees (Sorc tree - also fvs tree if you go fire and force)
Epic Destinies (Draconic + twists possible)
Guild Ship Amenities
Empower and Maximize
Gear set bonuses (e.g., dragon armor)

Criticals:
Item
Enhancement Trees
Spell Criticals Past Life

You can get really high fire spell power/crits going fire with 16 sorc / 4 fvs and the ability to twist in another 45 spell power from other destinies. Water Savant is probably the safest choice and easiest to build and lets you switch between Draconic and Shiradi.

If you are still working on filling out destiny trees DC is a good choice because you are more effective outside of Draconic and Shiradi. On EE your spells are 20% less effective without 3 past life sorc and active past life wizard which is why I always recommend someone without the past lifes dump DC and go with Draconic or Shiradi. It also frees up a twist spot since you don't need to twist in the evocation bonus from magister. All of your draconic slas + ice storm + niacs + magic missle line + polar ray + frost lance sla + ruin are all spells that don't require DC. Dumping DC makes epic destiny farming tough so when etr'ing you may need to switch back and forth between DC and dumping DC depending on what destiny you will be in.

[Wh070aa]

Feats-
must haves

Maximize(moar dps)
empower(moar dps)
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Can skip but probably should get

quicken (for reconstruct and SLA's)
Heighten (more DC's, not as good on multiclass/WF)
Spell focus evocation or conjuration (morad DC's)
Spell focus or greater focus evocation or conjuration (moard DC's)

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Can get, but not much of a difference

Mental toughness line ( 3 feats + 3% criticals (1% per feat) and some spell points. ) Can get but not worth the investment, unless shiradi spam.
Spell pen line (for necro and enchantment) is kinda meh, since you alredy have -2 spell pen, and you probably wont land against resistant mobs anyway. prerequisite for
Necromancy or enchantment focus (for holds and instakills/level drains). Not the best choice on multiclass sorc, but if you invest in it, you can hold + sword(if you melee), or hold + nuke. Good damage boost, but hard to land when it matters, and its easier and more spell point efficient just to shot damage spell 2 times.
Extend- longer buffs, I guess. Nice, but not worth.

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epic feats- Hell ball and ruin, and possibly extra of your main elemental damage. Way spell point intensive, and you probably not gonna use them more than once per shrine.
Epic mental taughtness/spell pen/ spell focus. Are also choices.


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for enchantments , I recommend Air servant + water servant, for optimal single target nuking/dots, and medicore AOE's, or Air servant +Fire servant for better AOE's, but more problems with resistances. Air/fire is better for shiradi spammers, if you spec in force spells.
Servants, and what you get from them
Air servant- Wings, best mobility, some AOE damage, some demons are immune to it, but otherwise ok. My recommendation for tier 5. Eldars DoT. Chain lightning targeting sucks balls. Damaging stuns. Evocation based. Needs DC.
Fire servant- Best AOE's (fireballs, fire wall, meteorites), most enemies after level 11 are somewhat resistant, or downright immune. Exelent for stuff that is not resistant, or immune. Sadly a lot of stuff is resistant. SLA's suck.Evocation based. Needs DC.
Ice servant. Good single target damage. Ice storm slow. Niclacs dot. Polar ray, ice ball thing. SLA's are ok, hard to land. Mostly evocation based, exempt for Niclacs SLA. Good synergy with stuff. A lot of immune/resistant things (constructs, skeletons). Many no DC spells.
Earth servant- acid DoT's. Good dots, but they take too long, and are not weary spell point efficient.Also is opposed to air tree, witch gives you mobility. Conjuration based. Good if you can stun up and then DOT, almost no immune enemies (some oozes, but they pose no threat). Many no DC spells.


I have not played Sorcerer in couple of updates tho, so I am not sure about the latest endgame.Warforged+ massive saves should be pretty good there.

What epic destiny are you going for, ost level 20? Draconic or? It matters a lot. Also what play style? Hybrid melee or gimp nuker?

18sorc 2 paladin sacrifices damage for "survivability" , meaning you can no longer nuke down tings that kill you, and still have crappy HP. Well at least you got war forged healing, and immunities. Only thing you really get is half damage from fireballs, and disintegrates.

But as long as you get haste, air dance(air servant wing ability), and jump, you probably can dodge out of anything, but the lag monster.

[DarthCaedus]

If you describe how you will be playing this character it can help narrow the advice.

Are you just playing to 20 and then tring again?

Will you be playing epic levels? If so what difficulty and how long do you plan to stick with this build?

Will you be soloing, playing in a group, raiding, etc.?

[dondaley]

I am doing it to learn the caster play style, I will be taking it to 28 I want to see how it works in soloing and parties, then after playing with him a little while epic and heroic tr. I need to finish filling out 3 or 4 ed's while in epic levels, shouldn't take long. I already have the splash of pally as my first 2 levels. He took the greatsword follower.

[Makkuroi]

The most important thing I learned when I switched to caster from melee (ages ago) was learn to use tab to cycle through targets. If you played ranged before, just ignore this.

[DarthCaedus]

I am doing it to learn the caster play style, I will be taking it to 28 I want to see how it works in soloing and parties, then after playing with him a little while epic and heroic tr. I need to finish filling out 3 or 4 ed's while in epic levels, shouldn't take long. I already have the splash of pally as my first 2 levels. He took the greatsword follower.

To really test out casting when you hit 28 you will want to stay in a good destiny for a while. There are 2 really good destinies for sorcs - Draconic and Shiradi. Draconic is based fully on your charisma score while Shiradi has no requirements. If you are a first-life 28 pt build without alot of tomes I would definitely recommend Shiradi. Sorcs are much less effective outside their main destinies which will mean alot of Epic Normal and timing your saga xp / big slayer counts to fill out the worst destinies. You can be a first life DC caster on Epic Normal.

For heroic leveling you will want to figure out your main element. This will depend largely on the difficulty you play. If you play Normal and then Epic Normal you can probably build an effective DC caster without the past lifes. If you plan to play elite and epic elite I would strongly advise against DC casting.

Electric (air) does the most damage and requires max DC.

Cold (water) has the best spells that work when your DC isn't high enough. It would be the best choice if you want to run higher difficulties from time to time. The downside is it doesn't work on skeletons and cold-based creatures and there are alot of those at the highest epic levels. Cold is the most versatile choice.

Acid (earth) has a few spells that don't have a DC check. It has some good AOE spells (acid fog, etc.). The best thing about Acid is few enemies are immune to it.

Fire (earth) is really great for most heroic leveling until you start to encounter fire-immune or fire-resistant enemies in the late heroic levels (devils - Amarath and Vale), but you can kill mobs easy running them back and forth through a firewall (aka kiting). It's also sp friendly as you can kill many enemies with a few firewalls. The biggest drawback of fire is it lacks a DOT.

If you want to run elite/hard you should choose Cold because your enemies take half damage on a failed DC check and worse - if they have evasion they take no damage. Acid is a good back up. If you plan to run normal to learn casting (I would recommend this) Then I would go with Fire and Acid or Fire and Electric. You will always want to have a few force spells as backups (magic missle, chain missles, force missles).

I will add a few other posts with specific topics. The most important thing is to play what you find the most fun so if you want to go with a specific school please post that.

[DarthCaedus]

There are basically 4 types of spells (my simplistic view)

1) Buffs
2) Single-target damage
3) AOE (Area of Effect) / Multi-target damage
4) DOT (Damage Over Time)

On mobs you want to group them up as much as possible and use AOE Damage - depending on whether it persists (Wall of Fire) or is a one-time burst (acid blast) you use different tactics. For persistent AOE like firewalls and ice storm you will want to kite enemies through the effect - which makes it harder for them to hit you while they are taking damage. For one-time blasts you want to get a group of them together and use it.

Example persistent AOEs
Wall of Fire (best at heroic levels)
Ice Storm (best AOE that doesn't require DC check)
Acid Rain
Acid Fog

Example one-time AOEs
Chain Lightning (best if you have the DC)
Acid Blast
Fireball
Chain Missles
Cone of Cold

For bosses DOTs are very effective because as you build up stacks, the damage gets bigger. There are no DC checks for DOTs. Examples of Dots:

Niac's Biting Cold
Eldar's Electric
Acid Arrow
Burning Blood (combo of acid + fire - works against fewer enemies - not undead, etc.)
Black Dragon Bolt

Notable Single-target spells
Lightning Bolt (high damage for this level spell)
Polar Ray (best single target spell without a DC check)