Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
the balance would be to decrease paladin overall dps against general mobs and only be excellent against evil, undead and chaotics. im not saying a complete nerf or have paladins go back to subpar dps, but paladins should have high saves and really good self healing.

i cant really speak about bards having never played one, but it seems to me SWF gave them a huge dps boost. they already had good self healing, party buffs and CC.

the only major problem ive had on a barb with will saves have been low level content. yeah sure i get held in EE sometimes, but ive had the same problem playing rogues, fighters, and on occasion monk and paladin. whats been missing from the game since the enhancement revamp and introduction to EDs is the tradeoffs. power creep and multi classing has made it so most classes can have their typical weakness corked. every class i play always has the best at level i can get wisdom and resistance item plus they all have +5 tomes. i don't expect to be able to make every save no matter how much investment i put in, but i do make most saves. you can also take epic will saves if you are having too much of a problem.
again, this is exactly the point, bard and paly are classes that have it all, fast dps, self healing (without sf penalty), survive everything, good skill selection etc, the barb had 1 thing going for him, heavy damage output, that is gone and needs to return.

As for the weakness bit, were fighting inf spellpoint casters without cooldown, a failed save is the difference between ridicule and comming allong, it's only natural people plug the holles in their build, it's called "character development"