10 rogue 6 paladin 4 monk

[banjo174]

alright... so I said screw the idea of trapping and searching and all of those shenanigans.
This build is just to get to lvl 20 and tr >_> though if I like it then I may go to lvl 28.
I did some researching and this split will be better than going with 11 rogue and 3 wizard -> https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ladin-3-wizard
Pros:
1. it will have 2 extra feats from the monk + it will boost the staff damage and have an extra attack with +1 critical multiplier... yes I decided to say screw my two-handed collection for this life.
2. the four monk will give you 6% dodge + 3% from dodge (feat) + 2% from mobility (feat) + 2% from rogue lvls + 11% from named items? - - - I think that those all stack together. If they do then that is 24% dodge...
3. when it is at its full potential of attack speed it will have - 30% action boost + Grand master of forms (15% enhancement boost - not sure if this stacks with haste) + Haste (15%) + 15% from thief acrobat = 75% attack speed
4. it will also have 25% morale bonus to double strike as long as I can keep the ability called "quick strike going"
5. I should be able to get enough umd to use heal scrolls easily
6. Will have decent saves
7. will be able to run a 20% damage boost along with a 30% haste boost
8. will have greater restoration
9. bonus to crit multiplier
10. will be able to get 5 Lay on hands

Cons:
1. won't be able to trap or search - - - however I may be able to unlock.
2. If I do get hit, then I am not so sure that I will be able to boost my mrr or prr very much so it will hurt.
3. Only one cleave in heroic life
4. won't be able to fit in the KoTC healing amp

-> I guess I am not a negative person, but those are the only con's that I can think of to this.

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Clunky Assassin 2
Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Paladin \ 4 Monk \ 10 Rogue \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 386
Spell Points: 80 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 27
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength             15                 18                   18
Dexterity            17                 26                   29
Constitution         14                 17                   17
Intelligence          9                 12                   12
Wisdom                8                 11                   11
Charisma             15                 18                   18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Air
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Fire
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Earth
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Water
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 7 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Feat: (Automatic) Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge (Dodge Bonus)


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Mage Armor
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Control (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Stick Fighting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Tumbler (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Thief Acrobatics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Thief Acrobatics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Thief Acrobatics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Quick Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Quick Strike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Quick Strike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Staff Specialization (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) - Vault (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Ki Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Winter's Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Remove Disease (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Remove Disease (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Remove Disease (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Restoration (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Restoration (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Restoration (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)

[Makkuroi]

Im currently running 10 rogue 6 monk (more runspeed, effectively 2 more feats) 4 paladin bladeforged staffie and liking it. With pally levels, id always go str/cha based to benefit from divine might. I have max trapping skills, its not hard with 10 rogue levels. Just drop dex (or str if you change to str based) by 1 and increase int by 3.

[unbongwah]

3. when it is at its full potential of attack speed it will have - 30% action boost + Grand master of forms (15% enhancement boost - not sure if this stacks with haste) + Haste (15%) + 15% from thief acrobat = 75% attack speed

Haste and Wind stance atk speed bonus are the same type so they do not stack; however the doublestrike bonus from Wind does apply.

10. will be able to get 5 Lay on hands

Since LoHs is scaled by # of pal lvls, you won't get much healing out of each: (10 + 6) * CHA mod, so even with CHA 40 (+15), that's only 240 HPs per LoH.

If you're moving to a staff build and taking Acro T5, consider rog 13 / pal 4 / monk 3 instead: you give up some Dodge & LoHs, but the extra rog lvls means 1 more bonus feat and Kip Up (knockdown immunity). EDIT: or rog 10 / monk 6 / pal 4 so you can take Shadow Veil.

[banjo174]

Haste and Wind stance atk speed bonus are the same type so they do not stack; however the doublestrike bonus from Wind does apply.

Since LoHs is scaled by # of pal lvls, you won't get much healing out of each: (10 + 6) * CHA mod, so even with CHA 40 (+15), that's only 240 HPs per LoH.

If you're moving to a staff build and taking Acro T5, consider rog 13 / pal 4 / monk 3 instead: you give up some Dodge & LoHs, but the extra rog lvls means 1 more bonus feat and Kip Up (knockdown immunity). EDIT: or rog 10 / monk 6 / pal 4 so you can take Shadow Veil.

Thank you for commenting, I was actually hoping you would
so yeah... about the kip up thing, that wont be a problem since I have the kundarak delving boots. but yeah I was actually considering changing it to an 8/6/6 split meaning 8 rogue 6 monk 6 paladin.
Reason behind that is because 6 paladin will get me greater restoration which in my eyes... that will add a hell of a lot more surviving capabilities, sure I will lose 3% double strike but I would rather do what I can to survive.
I didn't know about shadow veil I guess I will look to see if 80 action points is enough to do all of that.
Again thank you for commenting

[Makkuroi]

Thank you for commenting, I was actually hoping you would
so yeah... about the kip up thing, that wont be a problem since I have the kundarak delving boots. but yeah I was actually considering changing it to an 8/6/6 split meaning 8 rogue 6 monk 6 paladin.
Reason behind that is because 6 paladin will get me greater restoration which in my eyes... that will add a hell of a lot more surviving capabilities, sure I will lose 3% double strike but I would rather do what I can to survive.
I didn't know about shadow veil I guess I will look to see if 80 action points is enough to do all of that.
Again thank you for commenting

its not just the doublestrike, its also stacking 10% fort bypass which is important against undead and constructs. Actually I dont run shadow veil, not enough AP, but on a non-bladeforged the AP should be enough.

[unbongwah]

so yeah... about the kip up thing, that wont be a problem since I have the kundarak delving boots.

Delving Boots provide FoM; Kip Up provides KD immunity. They are not the same thing; if anything, you want both.

[banjo174]

Delving Boots provide FoM; Kip Up provides KD immunity. They are not the same thing; if anything, you want both.

I am looking at the Kip Up ability it states -> (You are immune to MOST knockdown effects and slippery surfaces.) Curious, what exactly does it make you immune to, and wouldn't just simply maxing out your balance be enough to make shadow veil better?

[Ayseifn]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ity-questions?

So giants(?), mariliths, minotaurs(?), every dragon except the Truthful One I believe, air elementals and maybe some other things. Been a while since I had a toon with it so things have probably changed.