Monster Champion Feedback

[Sehenry03]

Pink glasses won't save you.



(Wow - even I am shocked at how cruel and heartless it is to joke at real pain.
I stand here staring at the "submit reply" button. Do I hit it and post?
Oh that's right, I have no soul. <click> Sorry Bono - get well soon.)

Obviously this poor soul tried the Elite bike path when he should have stayed on the Normal one. Maybe he should upgrade to a 10 speed +5 of evasion

[phillymiket]

I don't even look for LFM's...when I look at that social screen it is ALL screwed up. Can't see names or how many are already in the group or anything.

Go to 'who' screen under the Social (last tab).
Click on search without defining the search (search for everyone)
Wait for it to finish search. It should clear that up.
You need to do that once every time you log in. (yea bugs!)

[Rys]

All I can say to that is that my experience on Thelanis has been awesome. maybe we just have better players overall?

Not really sure what this has to do with better players. I can solo everything just as I could before the update.

[Qhualor]

Maybe not. It's not really our fault if you have pink glasses on.

Besides, why would "better players" have anything to do with grouping? Your reply makes no sense.

this doesn't make sense. if some of us dont agree than we are wearing pink glasses? at least make them look cool like Sir Elton John.

[phillymiket]

this doesn't make sense. if some of us dont agree than we are wearing pink glasses? at least make them look cool like Sir Elton John.

Can we please not bring the singer/songwriters into the fight? :-(

[slarden]

My problem is I can't bug report in game as the window never loads for me. The forums are my only way to report bugs so I do it here. Plus the dev's started the thread specifically asking for feedback here and have repeatedly said they read this thread for this info.

now if they are still reading who knows but they were originally =)

You are in luck! There is an alternate way to report bugs:

http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/suppo...c&deptID=24037

[Impaqt]

Not really sure what this has to do with better players. I can solo everything just as I could before the update.

No one said you couldn't. not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread...

[slarden]

All I can say to that is that my experience on Thelanis has been awesome. maybe we just have better players overall?

Yeah I am sure that you have better players overall - that is the only possible answer isn't it?

I never claimed there was a problem with the # of LFMs on Sarlona - there is usually plenty. I am simply stating there is a disincentive to open spots when running level 26+ EEs. They will just find another LFM to hit - no big deal. I see no evidence that champions are helping grouping either. It seems fairly neutral to me - there were LFMS before and after champions.

[slarden]

Sarlona has been awesome for grouping lately. While leveling my TR's I will put up a group saying "Lvl 6 quests - Elite" and it fills within minutes now...and I do this for all levels from 1-20 and have no issues with people joining the group. I see a LOT of newer players and I know they are simply by seeing the HP's. Lots of people...and I mean LOTS with really low HP's. No wonder people are being 1 shotted. I spend most of the leveling time explaining about HP's and feats to take to help or gear to get to help...they usually double the HP's by the time we are done grouping.

Literally though after posting an LFM within 5 minutes I already have 3-4 people clicking to join

I've only noticed one-shotting in level 26+ EEs. It sounds like you are running mostly heroic quests - perhaps that is why are experience has been so different.

[Rys]

No one said you couldn't. not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread...

Your argument that champions encourage grouping which is simply untrue.

[Sehenry03]

I've only noticed one-shotting in level 26+ EEs. It sounds like you are running mostly heroic quests - perhaps that is why are experience has been so different.

Well I only really do a lot of pug groups before 20...after 20 I am always in a guild group and the players in my guild are top notch and much better then I am for sure.

[Sehenry03]

Go to 'who' screen under the Social (last tab).
Click on search without defining the search (search for everyone)
Wait for it to finish search. It should clear that up.
You need to do that once every time you log in. (yea bugs!)

Awesome thanx a ton!!!! I will try it tonight

[Impaqt]

Your argument that champions encourage grouping which is simply untrue.

wasnt an argument.. Just an observation. I see more LFM's in the panel. Many of them are for EE quests. this has gone UP since U24 went live.

Someone being able to solo EE post U24 has no bearing on that. I've never claimed people cant.

[MisterCanoeHead]

Or its not happening NEARLY as often as people THINK it happens. My GUESS is that most people complaining about being 1 shotted are just lemmings and are complaining about it because they READ it somewhere.

Yappy yap yap yap...I'm awesome...yappy yap yap...look at me...yappy yap yap...I'm so great...


*SNIP*

Here is what I think happened with Champions. Turbine initially released them, then watched as their internal data showed a sudden and noticeable drop in either logins and/or revenue. It's the only explanation as to why they acted so quickly. They then hurriedly tried to stymie the bleeding by reducing the power and numbers of Champions before their bosses at WB noticed their ham-handed "fix" to the difficulty complaints.

I also predict they either further nerf the Champion system or give it a complete over-haul.

Your attempt at data collecting is both laughable and meaningless.

[Daitengu]

I guess I should have mentioned EXTREME quests don't count. DDO expects you to die often and in horrible ways. You were suppose to be 1 shotted even without champions so any example OTHER then extreme challenge dungeons would be great.

But no regular foe did that, only a f... champ gargoyle. And it doesnt matter if they are in an extreme challenge. I cannot survive 4k hits in easier quests too.

[doucefeuille]

our feedback after some try (after reading all the posts here)

We usualy play flowered dancing elves, wearing pyjamas, CC oriented, a little heal for urgencies etc.
We build toons for duo play without hire, ship-buff, craft, Tr etc.
We only equip trash loot gear, but we take care about the whole toon gear/build
We play casual, short sessions, different time zone so join a group is a bit tricky.

Before champ :
* HN was boriying it was a brainless run : easy trap, weak mobs
* HH was fine
* HE was a challenge but we can do it, taking our time, thinking about strategies, sometimes diying and try again.

With champ :
* HN is still boriying it's still the same brainless run : easy trap, weak mobs
* HH was harder than pre-champ HE, we experiment 1-shot or 2-shot in 1/2 quest, for us or for the escort/protect. try and try again, even with CC a 1-shot is still a 1-shot and sometimes CC do fail. We began to die several times every quest even when adapting strategies.
* HE with luck we can still do it. We noticed no huge difference betwen HH and HE as the luck factor is very important. A champ with a bad buff combination can happen in both case.

So our pyjamas flowered dancing elves even with CC are not playable with champ as sometimes we have not the time to re-enter again, again, again and again to face a powered champ to complete the quest.

As we cannot choose to play without champ (in something else than a boriying HN), nor to play longer sessions, nor to play with a group because of our time zone, the only thing we can change was our toons.
so we decided to try toons opposite to what we are used to play : warforged adamantine body with shield, huge fort and PRR, paly+arti.

And...

We just try HE at level and levels above and it's boriying because the toons are too powerfull for the quest we run fast and brainless into trash mobs and sometimes, realy sometimes, one champ make the game little interesting.... the same champ that would have 1-shot our pyjamas flowered dancing elves.

PRR is the difference betwen metal can vs dancing elves

Conclusion the game with champ doesn't call for diversity in build and there is no appropriate difficulty level for pyjamas

We understand that toons with hire, ship-buff, multi TRs, best gear can have an appropriate difficulty level for them, but actually there is nothing at all for a pyjamas between a boriying normal quest and a much much harder one with champ (HH and HE have the same difficulty because of randomness)

[ame132]

Quest: Yarkuch's War-Plans , Elite , solo
champ spider "Brown Spider Prince" (CR10) shortly after entrance had 2194 HP
isnt it a bit much for lvl 6 quest?

[Impaqt]

Quest: Yarkuch's War-Plans , Elite , solo
champ spider "Brown Spider Prince" (CR10) shortly after entrance had 2194 HP
isnt it a bit much for lvl 6 quest?

I'd guess no. those spider princes are tough. No where near as difficult as they were back in the day, but still above the norm for the level. They still rock 600+ HP on Elite, so if one got crowned, 2k+ would totally be in the range.

[harry-pancreas]

My limited exposure to them, here's my thoughts:

There is a spawn-rate problem. They seemed to spawn in every group of 4 or more mobs. If you're going to make something like this, you should have a drop rate of about 1 to 20 mobs.

That and the fact that people are soiling themselves that they no longer cannot solo EE with stacks and stacks of cake and pots makes me think they are just about PERFECT!!!!

Keep it up!

this ^^
a million times

[bls904c2]

I am a player that has 6 accounts, me, my wife, and 4 kids. from this last update my kids have stopped playing because its not fun. i have always refused to play anything but elite because i hate playing same dungeon like 10 times in a row to raise levels. Bravery Bonus keeps me from replaying dungeons. my kids don't like playing with me because they don't like being soul stones and pulled around to shrines. I won't break my BB like so many others.

They used their Christmas funds to pay for a years time on elder scrolls online. Just in my relatives that stopped playing because your latest updates of lets make it more difficult for the top 10%, is 7 people. All of who spend money every month.

Brilliant move catering to the 10%.

I am frustrated because I am to strong for normal to play with kids they just run through very luck to kill something because im 1-2 hit killing things, or they are in my back pack as soul stones in elites. before update elite was still easy for me but the kids got big kicks out of kill count because most of the time i slowed down just slow enough for them to get the last killing blow in, or i went from monster 1 hit them a few times went to monster 2 hit a few times went to monster 3 and so on so the kids always had the killing blows.

I use to play 2 quests a night every night. their 9th life TR toons going to just sit there now and by the way their ages are 5, 6, 8, and 10.

As for me and my monthly spending,I will probably be signing off also and switching games to follow suit after my kids

great job making the game for ubers.