Monster Champion Feedback

[hp1055cm]

Why are Champion spawn rates and remnant drops so inconsistent?

HE Carnival chain - lots of champions and lots of chests throughout. I counted 9 chests in Small Problem alone. (Yes it is high every time I run it)
HE Litany - plenty of Champions but almost no remnants and no chests. That is until you get past dragon then champions spawn like crazy and there are are sometimes 10 chests (High Priest wing).
HE Web of Chaos chain: moderate number of champions and NO remnants or chests in LOD, Servants, and Spinner.
HE Delerium, Acid Wit, Missing, Fear Factory - not many champions and max 2 remnant coins total in each.
HE Gianthold - Moderate number of Champions, a few remnants or chest in quests.
HE Sands - Moderate number of Champions, a few remnants or chest in quests, if any.

Plus some champions seem to be hardly any stronger than normal mobs (Like in GH and Carnival) but other Champions hit like a ton of bricks (Attack on Stormreach)

I pulled like 38 remnants from 1 chest somewhere, and other times I get like 1 remnant.

[Maldrak]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5563602

[Maldrak]

Details here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5564730

(Please also respond in that thread to keep things tidy)

Summary of proposal: If allowing champions to award extra exp worries the developers because "there's already too much exp out there", then I'd rather see the Bravery Bonus mechanic dropped in favor of Champion Exp. In this thread, I ask for your opinions on the matter. As I said, please reply in that thread, I won't be tallying replies posted anywhere but in that thread.

[Warrax23]

I hate champions, and stealing ideas from other games, that much we know.
Since switching most of my toons to Heavy armor, the champions became just another blur in the rearview (either dead or skipped)
However since the orange names no longer give 100% chests, I want them gone, it's a bad mechanic with now barely any relevance to this game. I'm not sure why it was changed, since you already fixed the problem with the "farm" for them why double punish everyone else? You created this bad system and are now making it even worse since it will take way to long to get anything for a toon, and your actually punishing people who play multiple toons as they will never get another to have on each toon, it's honestly ridiculous. Yes bound to account, blah blah blah, who's going to take the time to keep switching that stuff between toons on the fly.

So in conclusion, not only are champions not fun, they are still causing issues of 1/2 shotting people because noone bothered to fix it. There has been a big rift over these since implementation, Check your egos and figure it out, there has been so much FAIL coming out lately it might be time to take a different approach to things. I do understand that you can't make everyone happy, but it's been missing the mark for a while now, how long can we keep the game alive if it continues?

- A concerned customer

[count_spicoli]

I hate champions, and stealing ideas from other games, that much we know.
Since switching most of my toons to Heavy armor, the champions became just another blur in the rearview (either dead or skipped)
However since the orange names no longer give 100% chests, I want them gone, it's a bad mechanic with now barely any relevance to this game. I'm not sure why it was changed, since you already fixed the problem with the "farm" for them why double punish everyone else? You created this bad system and are now making it even worse since it will take way to long to get anything for a toon, and your actually punishing people who play multiple toons as they will never get another to have on each toon, it's honestly ridiculous. Yes bound to account, blah blah blah, who's going to take the time to keep switching that stuff between toons on the fly.

So in conclusion, not only are champions not fun, they are still causing issues of 1/2 shotting people because noone bothered to fix it. There has been a big rift over these since implementation, Check your egos and figure it out, there has been so much FAIL coming out lately it might be time to take a different approach to things. I do understand that you can't make everyone happy, but it's been missing the mark for a while now, how long can we keep the game alive if it continues?

- A concerned customer

people are still tripping on this? Talk about a dead horse. Champs are the only thing that makes this game interesting. ANd even they are hardly noticeable now that they got the nerf. Nobody I know even pays them any mind anymore. They really need to get ramped back up to be hones.

[Warrax23]

people are still tripping on this? Talk about a dead horse. Champs are the only thing that makes this game interesting. ANd even they are hardly noticeable now that they got the nerf. Nobody I know even pays them any mind anymore. They really need to get ramped back up to be hones.

Yes, people ARE still upset about them, hard to believe that the people who were are still upset because nothing was done with them. If you want to play Diablo 2 please be my guest. That's not what I pay for. I pay for DDO. They were tolerable at best, when we were getting chests from orange named, now it's very very low, so not worth my time at all. So yet ANOTHER thing added to the game that's useless, that has wasted Dev time. Like the last 2 updates.

And I'm not here to argue with you, this is MY perspective as a paying customer. They don't increase fun, and take away from the game for me.

[count_spicoli]

Yes, people ARE still upset about them, hard to believe that the people who were are still upset because nothing was done with them. If you want to play Diablo 2 please be my guest. That's not what I pay for. I pay for DDO. They were tolerable at best, when we were getting chests from orange named, now it's very very low, so not worth my time at all. So yet ANOTHER thing added to the game that's useless, that has wasted Dev time. Like the last 2 updates.

And I'm not here to argue with you, this is MY perspective as a paying customer. They don't increase fun, and take away from the game for me.

And it is my perspective that they are great and offer some degree of difficulty all be it not much. Without them it is a complete frog stomp.

[Monkey-Boy]

people are still tripping on this? Talk about a dead horse. Champs are the only thing that makes this game interesting. ANd even they are hardly noticeable now that they got the nerf. Nobody I know even pays them any mind anymore. They really need to get ramped back up to be hones.

When the system still sucks, expect people to still be annoyed by it.

Though I don't think they are anything more than a speed-bump in epics in some heroics they break quests.

[slarden]

And it is my perspective that they are great and offer some degree of difficulty all be it not much. Without them it is a complete frog stomp.

I've lead full EE Orchard Pugs about 50 times in the last 2 months. I've probably had over 100 different people in my groups and I've seen very few people get through that chain without dying on EE.

It really depends on your PRR and self-healing ability. They aren't even a speed bump for a paladin in Divine Crusader. For a wizard in a robe - they are a death sentence. Champions are all about killing people with low PRR due to megacrits. That is why there is such a difference opinion about their danger level.

[Vulkoorex]

So the answer is everyone should play a Paladin.
OK!!!!!

[count_spicoli]

I've lead full EE Orchard Pugs about 50 times in the last 2 months. I've probably had over 100 different people in my groups and I've seen very few people get through that chain without dying on EE.

It really depends on your PRR and self-healing ability. They aren't even a speed bump for a paladin in Divine Crusader. For a wizard in a robe - they are a death sentence. Champions are all about killing people with low PRR due to megacrits. That is why there is such a difference opinion about their danger level.

People should die on ee. Without the threat off that what's the point? What server you on? I would be more than happy to join one of your pugs and show you how someone does not die in those quests and pretty much makes a mockery of the champs in there.

[slarden]

People should die on ee. Without the threat off that what's the point? What server you on? I would be more than happy to join one of your pugs and show you how someone does not die in those quests and pretty much makes a mockery of the champs in there.

Deal!

I am on Sarlona.

Roll up a rogue melee in light armor and let me know when you are ready.

I am going to expect you to actually contribute and not just run around avoiding combat and not dying to prove a point you can run a quest without dying. Anyone can do that. You need to be actively engaged in combat and not dying.

[Qhualor]

And I'm not here to argue with you, this is MY perspective as a paying customer. They don't increase fun, and take away from the game for me.

well as a paying customer giving my perspective they increased my fun when they first came out. the fun was decreased pretty quickly after a few short days and I just don't see the point in having them when there is only 1 or 2 types of Champions that pose any kind of real challenge now. the reward for me was having real challenge again. I don't get that reward from them since they were nerfed. I could care less if they drop chests or not.

[Warrax23]

well as a paying customer giving my perspective they increased my fun when they first came out. the fun was decreased pretty quickly after a few short days and I just don't see the point in having them when there is only 1 or 2 types of Champions that pose any kind of real challenge now. the reward for me was having real challenge again. I don't get that reward from them since they were nerfed. I could care less if they drop chests or not.

And have I spoke out against your opinion in anyway? Have I tried to stifle you posting or made fun of you? No. I believe that you and I can have opposite point, that doesn't mean either of us are wrong especially since it's a perspective issue.

However I will say this, since Champions and the last 2 updates have came out, my guild and channels are now dead.. People aren't playing now. And soon I'll have to make that decision myself, just leave or suffer. Because that's what it's like now... suffering.

Enjoy the game.

[S3R3N1T7]

if someone look this hope a day they understand a mmo die if he have no player

-ddo was not solo player game, but with the self heal implementation all was selfheal now and the result was all player solo quest on elite and hard

-solution found by developer implement champion for give fun (jock)

(i explaine only completioniste or player with many tr think that was fun but
player want play hard or elite can't choice have no champion (it's stupide))

result : mass player leave ddo and they no understand (if you have doubt see lfm)

solution (because i like ddo i give one) : implement choice for player want active champion at the begin of the quest


"an other player who want no leave ddo but champion pushes me to quit this game so please do something for i stay "

[Gljosh]

Just have Champions be broken into two groups Heroic and Epic. If you are a Heroic character and run Heroic content Champs can drop Remnants and Orange Champs can drop chests. Same for Epic characters. Heroic Epic and Epic Elite should be tough, characters should die, traps should be lethal and mobs more than just HP sacks to beat on.

[S3R3N1T7]

lol your are happy have champion for remnat lol (happy for you)

sorry i don't want champion or have choice !

i don't need remnant

think all player was not completionist or 3xcompletionist, and you don't represent all the player, when, i don't represent all player but i constat server lfm decrease player decrease and champion don't help it's hemoragique


and think why player begin leave ddo in mass and i think i do same
(and know new player don't rest longer now in ddo !!! why !!! because you have CHAMPION and they don't want play normal all the time , do you understand !!!!)

i do this message because i like ddo and don't want do what all player leave and leave in silence, i contribu try help ddo come back and work that all

bye elitiste player hope for constructive message for help ddo not die thank you

[Impaqt]

lol your are happy have champion for remnat lol (happy for you)

sorry i don't want champion or have choice !

i don't need remnant

think all player was not completionist or 3xcompletionist, and you don't represent all the player, when, i don't represent all player but i constat server lfm decrease player decrease and champion don't help it's hemoragique


and think why player begin leave ddo in mass and i think i do same
(and know new player don't rest longer now in ddo !!! why !!! because you have CHAMPION and they don't want play normal all the time , do you understand !!!!)

i do this message because i like ddo and don't want do what all player leave and leave in silence, i contribu try help ddo come back and work that all

bye elitiste player hope for constructive message for help ddo not die thank you

The Champion system was not designed to provide people with remants. The system was put in place because Turbine wanted to raise the difficulty level of Hard and Elite. It had gotten to easy.

Your contention that Champions have caused a decrease in population is just speculation that holds no water. I know more people that came back or continued to play because of champions than left.

I know far more people that left becaue the game got too easy and boring.

[UurlockYgmeov]

The Champion system was not designed to provide people with remants. The system was put in place because Turbine wanted to raise the difficulty level of Hard and Elite. It had gotten to easy.

Your contention that Champions have caused a decrease in population is just speculation that holds no water. I know more people that came back or continued to play because of champions than left.

I know far more people that left becaue the game got too easy and boring.

well said and from personal experience (and from what has been discussed in all the PUG's Uurlock has been in since Champs arrived) I fully support your statements.

MANY people coming back to the game (or trying for first time).

[Glascanon]

think all player was not completionist or 3xcompletionist, and you don't represent all the player, when, i don't represent all player but i constat server lfm decrease player decrease and champion don't help it's hemoragique

I was about to quit the game right before Champions came out just because the game got boring. Its still to easy and the power creep is going on.

and think why player begin leave ddo in mass and i think i do same
(and know new player don't rest longer now in ddo !!! why !!! because you have CHAMPION and they don't want play normal all the time , do you understand !!!!)

i do this message because i like ddo and don't want do what all player leave and leave in silence, i contribu try help ddo come back and work that all

bye elitiste player hope for constructive message for help ddo not die thank you

U mean they leave instead of trying to get better?
U r saying there are PPl out there who cant finish EH quests because of Champions?
Do i have to post a Video showing a Hireling finishing EH quests with me in background doing nothing else then sneaking and watch him kick asses?
This game is a lot but definitely not to hard!

PPL still zerg with red alerts on EE. In Heroics Champs may slow u down thats it.
Some EE Bosses in quests hit me for like 4-9 damage. That is Cortos Island niveu. It is because of the immense power creep in damage mitigation.
Healing amplification buff makes it even more easy to stay healthy.
DPS boosts over the edge makes the fights quicker.
EE got the new EH. Before the power creep EH was the way more common difficulty mode for those wich got bored in EN. Now EH is same way boring as EN was before.
EE keeps u bussy klicking your buttons but not much more.
Its pretty hard to find any kind of challenge in this game. Thats why ppl spread out Videos doing shortman or solo Raids and Quests on EE against the stopwatch.
Like 6 man running Fall of Truth EE in less then 7 minutes. Including the talking time at the beginning and the middle of the raid.
It is not about "hey look i can do this solo" it is about who can do it faster then the other. Because there is no option to fail.
That was with 6 ranged toons just BEFORE Ranged DPS got another 30% boost.

And for pretty much the same Reason we don´t see LFM´s that much. There is not much more to do.
Most PPL TR or ER in Guild or Friends only Partys or just plainly soloing it because random players will just slow them down or make them look rude.
The Game got so easy that taking other players with u will just slow down the zerg. Because they dont know the shortcuts doing stuff wich is not necessary 4 completion. Dont find the way to the next quest entry. All what counts is the XP per minute.

Ull barely see a player joining a EE quest just because he never done that before and needs the favor.
Exept the noobs wich are not readdy for EE yet. But due the power creep noone really cares dragging a noob trough EE til completion.
Before the power creep u barely saw a random puc running or even zerging EE quests. PPl might get upset from EE champs because they just face them way to early.
And there is plainly no reason 4 a elitist TR ER grinder to help other players getting better because they wont need them anyway. Would just slow them down to do so.

I was first time standing in a quest on EE as i reached the former lvl cap of 25 with a full guild group using teamspeak after i and had a couple of raids done and most quests on EH.

If u get kicked in the but from a champion after the Power creep just keep in mind that before the power creep, every mob in that quest would have kicked your but the same way and not just some of the champions!