Do these stack?
Half orc
Brutality: When using a two handed weapon, you deal an additional 20% damage to helpless opponents.
AP Cost: 1 Ranks: 1 Progression: 15 Requires: Orcish Weapon Training
Thief Acrobat (or 2 ap/rank Ninja Spy)
No Mercy: You deal 10%/20%/30% additional damage to helpless opponents.
AP Cost: 1 Ranks: 3 Progression: 20 No requirements
I would assume they do because they are named differently, but of course we never know with Turbine.
Has anyone tested this out? I tried rolling up a veteran character to test it, but it was a little hard to figure out.
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11-26-2014, 04:30 AM #1Community Member
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Do Brutality and No Mercy stack?
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11-26-2014, 11:56 PM #2Community Member
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It was my understanding that no mercy and sense weakness did not stack. Brutality stacks with sense weakness. I Always Wondered how half orc acrobat who took improved defensive roll and arcane barrier with barb's knockdown with arcane encumbrance would perform.
Originally Posted by SealedInSong
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11-27-2014, 12:18 AM #3Community Member
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Testing?
That does sound interesting. Originally Posted by CrackedIce
So it was just your assumption, no tests though? I'd be very happy if they did, and I don't see why they shouldn't insofar as they're named differently and don't cite an enhancement type.Character Compendium
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11-28-2014, 09:35 PM #4Community Member
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Excuse me, sense weakness and no mercy definetely stack im 100% positive. Did i test it? Yes, been running with both for months u can clearly see the damage numbers on helpless mobs going up by 30%, from around 160/170 to 200+ before the introduction of melee power. Originally Posted by CrackedIce
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11-28-2014, 09:36 PM #5Community Member
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No Mercy and Sense Weakness Stack.
Brutality and Sense Weakness Stack.
Sorry though, I've not tested to see whether or not Brutality and No Mercy stack.
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Thanks Enmo
As always your expertise is valued. I'll reply in this thread when I do test. Originally Posted by fTdOmen
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Even if Brutality and No Mercy stack, I think the problem is the AP spread on, say, HO rog 13 / barb 4 / wiz 3: Originally Posted by CrackedIce
- Brutality: 18 APs in HO tree
- Staff Spec, No Mercy, & Imp Defensive Roll: 32 APs into Acrobat
- Arcane Barrier: 13 APs into EK
- Arcane Encumbrance: 13 APs into OS
- Supreme Cleave: 13 APs into FB
That's 89 APs total, so something has to be sacrificed, particularly if want anything from Ravager or AM SLAs as well. In a way, it would simplify things if Brutality and No Mercy don't stack; then you don't need so much from HO tree. More likely, this works better on a human than HO.
Just a little build-fu practice:
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12-02-2014, 03:57 PM #8Community Member
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Honestly I was not considering the barb cleave. That leaves 4 ap for PA from ravager. Originally Posted by unbongwah
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