Shield mastery feats compatibiltiy

[Zerkul]

After a little bit of testing with bucklers (and then heavies and towers to confirm the shield mastery changes are universal), this is what I've found:

When using a shield (of any type), Shield Mastery now provides:
0 prr
0 doublestrike
5 melee power

When using a shield (of any type), Improved Shield Mastery provides:
0 prr
0 doublestrike
10 melee power

This is why SWF and Shield Mastery no longer appear to stack -- because the melee power buff from shield mastery is fully redundant with the melee power buff from SWF, and shield mastery has no other unique modifiers, thus the shield mastery buff icon is suppressed whenever SWF is active.

I expect this is a bug.

I also confirm this. On lamaland my Paladin 20 Vanguard has exactely 8% doublestrike less and 15 PRR less for using Tower Shield. The buff icon shows ISM but only provides the melee power bonus.

[redoubt]

I also confirm this. On lamaland my Paladin 20 Vanguard has exactely 8% doublestrike less and 15 PRR less for using Tower Shield. The buff icon shows ISM but only provides the melee power bonus.

Still hoping to get a word from the devs on this...

[Gremmlynn]

Still hoping to get a word from the devs on this...

Maybe on Monday when the are getting paid to do so again.

[redoubt]

Maybe on Monday when the are getting paid to do so again.

That's fair.

[HernandoCortez]

So... is this a swashbuckler nerf?

[Vanhooger]

So... is this a swashbuckler nerf?

As it is now on lama is not just swash but all S&B build nerf

[Inoukchuk]

As it is now on lama is not just swash but all S&B build nerf

Has anyone heard from a dev on this? I seem to recall someone saying that none of the weapon style lines were working (not just SM line).

[Steelstar]

Conclusions:
* Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery feats only increase Melee Power and offer no other benefit (prr, doublestrike)

This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

The only intended change to the Shield Mastery feats in U24 is in the Lamannia release notes:

Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery no longer function with Orbs.

[Vanhooger]

This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

The only intended change to the Shield Mastery feats in U24 is in the Lamannia release notes:

Thanks Steel.

[Inoukchuk]

This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

The only intended change to the Shield Mastery feats in U24 is in the Lamannia release notes:

Yes, thanks indeed!

[Sebastrd]

This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

The only intended change to the Shield Mastery feats in U24 is in the Lamannia release notes:

Then the fix for this ought to be to quit considering orbs as "shields" for everything. That way druids would be able to use them with no restrictions.

Though, honestly, I have no idea why this even matters. It isn't like Shield Mastery/Orb builds are breaking the game. They're a niche combo that makes clever use of feats to make a few unique builds viable. I'm about fed up with the recent focus on homogenization of builds and pigeon-holing of classes. Slowly but surely the things that make DDO unique and that keep you getting my subscription dollars are being chipped away. If you're looking to make DDO like every other MMORPG on the market, don't expect to stick around for long. There are plenty of games that do the "generic MMORPG with your builds laid out for you" thing way better than DDO with much better graphics and a lot more players.

[Ranidae]

Originally Posted by cru121:
Conclusions:
* Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery feats only increase Melee Power and offer no other benefit (prr, doublestrike)

Reply from Steelstar (Developer):
This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

Bump. This issue still exists.

Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery provide no PR or Doublestrike, despite the description.

I don't even see it in 'Known Issues'...

Can we get an update about a fix?

[Steelstar]

Bump. This issue still exists.

Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery provide no PR or Doublestrike, despite the description.

I don't even see it in 'Known Issues'...

Can we get an update about a fix?

It definitely works on Live, at least for several characters I just looked at.

What's your class makeup, and what shield do you have equipped? If there's an issue, that should help us track it down.

[Certon]

It definitely works on Live, at least for several characters I just looked at.

What's your class makeup, and what shield do you have equipped? If there's an issue, that should help us track it down.

level 3 bard/12 fighter. all the shield mastery feats.

when swashbuckling with a random gen buckler, the ISM icon disappears. it reappears when it is toggled off. i am using a skullsmasher (light mace.)

[Steelstar]

level 3 bard/12 fighter. all the shield mastery feats.

when swashbuckling with a random gen buckler, the ISM icon disappears. it reappears when it is toggled off. i am using a skullsmasher (light mace.)

Do you also have Single Weapon Fighting?

[Certon]

Do you also have Single Weapon Fighting?

yeah. i do. sorry for the late response.