Barbarian DPS

[Cetus]

No I didn't finish watching it. That quest is just wave after wave of mobs so after 10 minutes I skimmed through to halfway and stopped. I will watch the end later.

Except, the quest isn't what I was demonstrating... lol

[Qhualor]

You could not have misjudged the build more lmao. Yes I'm pure barb. Yes I have berserker capstone, yes I took slaughter and laughter, I took human racial damage boost. Are you seriously thinking that I don't know how to build a barb?

Yes, your barb will crit for higher numbers in fotw if you adrenaline proc. Otherwise, I don't see how you can considering LD gives an additional multiplier.

You sir, aren't providing even convincing anecdotal evidence. Let alone demonstrable backup.

Yes I'm an int based barb. Lol, seriously?

I'm a strength based barb with intel as a secondary stat. 40 intel = like 7 damage with KtA, + 1 enhancement (+1 attack/damage), and 1 melee power. Where else are you going to get extra damage with those leftover AP like that?

Yeah I did question it because I was judging by what was shown on the screen. Like I said, I'll watch the end of the video later.

LD is not a bad destiny for a barb, but it did seem like you were critting a little more often than me. I don't have a Thunderforge yet. My barbs are built for pure dumb dumb dps so not sure how im critting for much higher numbers.

No im not providing evidence because Lama is not working properly. I am also not saying that barb dps is lacking during a barb pass when now is the time to say something.

Intelligence as a secondary stay because you couldn't figure out what to do with leftover AP? Nuff said.

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Intelligence as a secondary stay because you couldn't figure out what to do with leftover AP? Nuff said.

Right, because 6 ap elsewhere and more con is going to get better dps. Nuff said.

[Cetus]

Yeah I did question it because I was judging by what was shown on the screen. Like I said, I'll watch the end of the video later.

LD is not a bad destiny for a barb, but it did seem like you were critting a little more often than me. I don't have a Thunderforge yet. My barbs are built for pure dumb dumb dps so not sure how im critting for much higher numbers.

No im not providing evidence because Lama is not working properly. I am also not saying that barb dps is lacking during a barb pass when now is the time to say something.

Intelligence as a secondary stay because you couldn't figure out what to do with leftover AP? Nuff said.

Lets see...

4 AP Human Racial boost + +3 strength.

42 AP spent in berserker - including capstone - which means all the melee power cores, all power rages, both critical multipliers, all glancing blow damage including focus wide, all extra action boosts, exhausting blow, tier 3 supreme cleave

24 AP spent in ravager, including upgraded pain touch, full PA line, cruel cut with dismember melee power boost, slaughter with laughter melee power boost, full hardy rage.

This leaves 10 AP.

Occult slayer for tier 3 ear smash costs 4 AP.

Where else are you going to spend the leftover 6 AP that will give you more than nearly +10 damage from harper tree?

Let's hear it.

[nat_1]

Cetus, you've done some fine stuff. I played "The Cetus" and enjoyed it. But, in the interest of actually looking objectively at the pass (and your own mental health) you need to take things less personally.

You could not have misjudged the build more lmao. Yes I'm pure barb. Yes I have berserker capstone, yes I took slaughter and laughter, I took human racial damage boost. Are you seriously thinking that I don't know how to build a barb?

That entire last sentence is so far from being helpful. And here's the thing, who cares if someone thinks that? It's the internet.

Yes, your barb will crit for higher numbers in fotw if you adrenaline proc. Otherwise, I don't see how you can considering LD gives an additional multiplier.

You sir, aren't providing even convincing anecdotal evidence. Let alone demonstrable backup.

Yes I'm an int based barb. Lol, seriously?

I'm a strength based barb with intel as a secondary stat. 40 intel = like 7 damage with KtA, + 1 enhancement (+1 attack/damage), and 1 melee power. Where else are you going to get extra damage with those leftover AP like that?

None of this is about 1 person.

You are not your fighter. You are not the contents of your shared bank. You are not the toon you build. You are not the popularity of your forum posts. You are not your ***ing Barb.

[Cetus]

Cetus, you've done some fine stuff. I played "The Cetus" and enjoyed it. But, in the interest of actually looking objectively at the pass (and your own mental health) you need to take things less personally.

That entire last sentence is so far from being helpful. And here's the thing, who cares if someone thinks that? It's the internet.

None of this is about 1 person.

You are not your fighter. You are not the contents of your shared bank. You are not the toon you build. You are not the popularity of your forum posts. You are not your ***ing Barb.

Man, look whose talking as far as taking things personally lol

Chill out. I'm simply calling Qhualor on his BS in order to support your very statement that I highlighted in blue.

[Qhualor]

Lets see...

4 AP Human Racial boost + +3 strength.

42 AP spent in berserker - including capstone - which means all the melee power cores, all power rages, both critical multipliers, all glancing blow damage including focus wide, all extra action boosts, exhausting blow, tier 3 supreme cleave

24 AP spent in ravager, including upgraded pain touch, full PA line, cruel cut with dismember melee power boost, slaughter with laughter melee power boost, full hardy rage.

This leaves 10 AP.

Occult slayer for tier 3 ear smash costs 4 AP.

Where else are you going to spend the leftover 6 AP that will give you more than nearly +10 damage from harper tree?

Let's hear it.

Human- 12-18 AP spent

Core

Human Versatility- Damage Boost
Human Adaptability- Strength

Tier 1

Action Surge- Strength (1-3 depending on even score)
Improved Recovery

Tier 2

Action Surge- Constitution (1-3 depending on even score)
Fighting Style- Great Weapon Aptitude 3x

Tier 3

Improved Recovery

Tier 4

Improved Recovery (depending if you have spent 15 AP on Action Surges)

Occult Slayer- 7 AP spent

Core

Weapon Bond

Tier 1

Extend Rage 3x
Ear Smash 3x

Ravager- 7 AP spent

Core

Furious Rage

Tier 1

Barbarian Power Attack 3x
Hardy Rage 1-3x (depending on even Constitution score)


Frenzied Berserker

with the new changes im getting a total of 58 AP spent for what i want. that puts me at 84 AP spent minimum. that means having to make tough choices in the trees having to cut back 4 AP somewhere. currently i would be investing more in Ravager, but the changes in FB makes the tier 5s and capstone more attractive now. if you want, i can list what i would want in FB.

[Takllin]

Human- 12-18 AP spent

Core

Human Versatility- Damage Boost
Human Adaptability- Strength

Tier 1

Action Surge- Strength (1-3 depending on even score)
Improved Recovery

Tier 2

Action Surge- Constitution (1-3 depending on even score)
Fighting Style- Great Weapon Aptitude 3x

Tier 3

Improved Recovery

Tier 4

Improved Recovery (depending if you have spent 15 AP on Action Surges)

Occult Slayer- 7 AP spent

Core

Weapon Bond

Tier 1

Extend Rage 3x
Ear Smash 3x

Ravager- 7 AP spent

Core

Furious Rage

Tier 1

Barbarian Power Attack 3x
Hardy Rage 1-3x (depending on even Constitution score)


Frenzied Berserker

with the new changes im getting a total of 58 AP spent for what i want. that puts me at 84 AP spent minimum. that means having to make tough choices in the trees having to cut back 4 AP somewhere. currently i would be investing more in Ravager, but the changes in FB makes the tier 5s and capstone more attractive now. if you want, i can list what i would want in FB.

Wait, you traded healing amp for DPS? And you are trying to tell Cetus that he isn't going pure DPS?

[xTethx]

Wait, you traded healing amp for DPS? And you are trying to tell Cetus that he isn't going pure DPS?

We need Shade's math for this thread. I call bs until I see some Axer math!

[Qhualor]

Wait, you traded healing amp for DPS? And you are trying to tell Cetus that he isn't going pure DPS?

huh? how do you trade heal amp for dps? you are really reaching on this one.

[Cetus]

Human- 12-18 AP spent

Core

Human Versatility- Damage Boost
Human Adaptability- Strength

Tier 1

Action Surge- Strength (1-3 depending on even score)
Improved Recovery

Tier 2

Action Surge- Constitution (1-3 depending on even score)
Fighting Style- Great Weapon Aptitude 3x

Tier 3

Improved Recovery

Tier 4

Improved Recovery (depending if you have spent 15 AP on Action Surges)

Occult Slayer- 7 AP spent

Core

Weapon Bond

Tier 1

Extend Rage 3x
Ear Smash 3x

Ravager- 7 AP spent

Core

Furious Rage

Tier 1

Barbarian Power Attack 3x
Hardy Rage 1-3x (depending on even Constitution score)


Frenzied Berserker

with the new changes im getting a total of 58 AP spent for what i want. that puts me at 84 AP spent minimum. that means having to make tough choices in the trees having to cut back 4 AP somewhere. currently i would be investing more in Ravager, but the changes in FB makes the tier 5s and capstone more attractive now. if you want, i can list what i would want in FB.

Lol

Should I even bother ripping this apart...

Stick to my "int based barb" if you want better damage.

[Qhualor]

Lol

Should I even bother ripping this apart...

Stick to my "int based barb" if you want better damage.

LOL, im not the one complaining though am i? im also the one saying my dps is doing more than yours on Live with these new changes. go for it, rip it apart.

[Takllin]

huh? how do you trade heal amp for dps? you are really reaching on this one.

You took Racial Healing Amp. Cetus took Know the Angles and a bunch more in Ravager.

So you are trading Healing Amp for DPS. You could grab Know the Angles and some of the DPS abilities in Ravager, but you chose to get Healing Amp instead.

It isn't reaching, just a simple analysis.

LOL, im not the one complaining though am i? im also the one saying my dps is doing more than yours on Live with these new changes. go for it, rip it apart.

You do better base damage, or you do better damage with Adrenaline? There is a big difference. Without any SS or video it is a baseless claim...

[Munkenmo]

We need Shade's math for this thread. I call bs until I see some Axer math!

1 Barb + support artificer, + buff bard + CC Arcane + 2* healbot = optimal party dps.

Preferential treatment is given to halfling support characters with heroic companion enhancements.

[Takllin]

1 Barb + support artificer, + buff bard + CC Arcane + 2* healbot = optimal party dps.

Preferential treatment is given to halfling support characters with heroic companion enhancements.

Halfling Buff Bard*

[Qhualor]

You took Racial Healing Amp. Cetus took Know the Angles and a bunch more in Ravager.

So you are trading Healing Amp for DPS. You could grab Know the Angles and some of the DPS abilities in Ravager, but you chose to get Healing Amp instead.

It isn't reaching, just a simple analysis.



You do better base damage, or you do better damage with Adrenaline? There is a big difference. Without any SS or video it is a baseless claim...

Healing amp = survivability. healing amp is in the cores as well. am I trading healing amp for dps there too? on Live now I would have no FB capstone and only 1 Tier 5 freeing up AP for some Ravager stuff, but FB is looking much better now. you spend a lot of time cleaving mobs so you want to grab the benefits of procs for that.

wont be a baseless claim when I can get on Lama. wait for it.

[Takllin]

Healing amp = survivability. healing amp is in the cores as well. am I trading healing amp for dps there too? on Live now I would have no FB capstone and only 1 Tier 5 freeing up AP for some Ravager stuff, but FB is looking much better now. you spend a lot of time cleaving mobs so you want to grab the benefits of procs for that.

wont be a baseless claim when I can get on Lama. wait for it.

Okay, but you were talking about DPS, not survivability...

Healing Amp being in the cores is irrelevant. It is an added bonus. The core abilities still give you DPS. Healing Amp from the Human Racial tree adds 0 DPS.

Are you saying better DPS with an Adrenaline use, or without?

Per the benefits of cleave procs, Cetus' build took Angry Arms and Mad Munitions.

[Qhualor]

Okay, but you were talking about DPS, not survivability...

Healing Amp being in the cores is irrelevant. It is an added bonus. The core abilities still give you DPS. Healing Amp from the Human Racial tree adds 0 DPS.

Are you saying better DPS with an Adrenaline use, or without?

Per the benefits of cleave procs, Cetus' build took Angry Arms and Mad Munitions.

I was actually talking about sacrificing dps to be in DC destiny and investing in a blue bar.

yes, im saying better dps than LD in FOTW. that is with Adrenaline.

I also would take those and any feats along with Fighting Styles in Human that he did not take.

[Wipey]

1 Barb + support artificer, + buff bard + CC Arcane + 2* healbot = optimal party dps.

You get A- from me for classics knowledge.


Cetus that's **** nice prr for a caster. Guess we should take heavy for barbies ( or any melee for that matter ) for granted now. Would you think that gameplay without such huge prr would change much ( less pastlives, less amp and hp, maybe even medium armour, no access to Sovereign pots etc ) ?
That Cleave Carnage is superb, makes me wanna try it.
But you should move the Harper Pin somewhere more convenient

[Blackheartox]

Hmm with consecration your survival is fine, considerd silver flame pots?
I know it drops overall dps from lower damage from known but hmm..


Overall it really looks like low dps considering you need to put way much effort into survival.
A palie for example can just stand there with godly saves more prr and whack without fear of getting killed, you had to run alot in first video to selfheal, in 2nd one your sp kinda isnt fully enough to spam known and conse all the time.
Imo, barbs need more dps, roughly 20-30% more /put it into capstone or whatever to prevent hybrids to abuse it

Saying this since mainly your first number is high, but on swasch or vanguard or palie or on druids you get way more hits and thus it doesnt just feel like more dps, but it actually is.
Nice videos tho /lamma broken for me as well freaking thing


Also, you should try to stand in healing area when you pop consecration

Another thing, why is cd for you 30 sec for it?
Didnt take it til t3 or what?