Barbarian DPS

[Cetus]

Did a run of Breaking the Ranks here:

The damage output is nice, but I still think it needs further boosts. My defenses in terms of PRR/MRR are great, but saves are **** and I have no way to self heal aside from relying on sovereign pots. I went with the heal over time tick from berserker, it's actually quite nice.

Saves are quite low too - I think barbs need one more SOLID DPS push - and they're good.

The AoE potential is very nice - I enjoy that part thoroughly.

[Cetus]

Uploading another video with consecrated ground twisted in - worked quite nicely

[Qhualor]

nice caster barbarian. exactly what most players will build instead of traditional barbs.

[jalont]

So they have lower survivability than Paladins and no reliable self healing, unlike paladins. They would have to do at least double the DPS of paladins to make them viable. Are they close to that mark? Is their DPS even equal to paladins?

[Qhualor]

So they have lower survivability than Paladins and no reliable self healing, unlike paladins. They would have to do at least double the DPS of paladins to make them viable. Are they close to that mark? Is their DPS even equal to paladins?

their dps is lower than barbs on a straight up dps scale, but people disagree with me preaching how much better DC and LD is over FOTW. my observations are proving that its the players how they build a barb, the destiny they use, how they play one much like a caster, not raging and the gear set up for why their dps is not as high as they would like. if you build a barb and not play a barb as a barb than don't expect to have similar dps numbers as a true barb. the difference will be the survivability, but that's a problem with fruit hanging too low and creeping power, not the class.

[Cetus]

their dps is lower than barbs on a straight up dps scale

And how are you arriving at this conclusion?

I'm also not sure how to interpret your "caster barbarian" remark.

[Qhualor]

And how are you arriving at this conclusion?

I'm also not sure how to interpret your "caster barbarian" remark.

because i play barbarians and ive played paladins.

caster barbarian is one that uses a blue bar and umd to heal and for buffs.

[Cetus]

because i play barbarians and ive played paladins.

caster barbarian is one that uses a blue bar and umd to heal and for buffs.

So what's the point of this statement? What's right or wrong with "caster barbs"?

[Qhualor]

So what's the point of this statement? What's right or wrong with "caster barbs"?

theres nothing wrong with playing a caster barbarian. just don't expect to have better dps than a dps barbarian or ask for an improvement in dps if you are going to sacrifice dps for a blue bar and umd.

[jalont]

I was talking about the barb changes in general, not anything about caster barbs. So with the changes, do they reach paladin dps? If they do and surpass, is it by enough to forgo defenses and self healing? I guess what I'm asking is, will I be doing my barb lives as a barb now, or will I still be splashing bard and building as a swashbuckler?

[Qhualor]

I was talking about the barb changes in general, not anything about caster barbs. So with the changes, do they reach paladin dps? If they do and surpass, is it by enough to forgo defenses and self healing? I guess what I'm asking is, will I be doing my barb lives as a barb now, or will I still be splashing bard and building as a swashbuckler?

depends on who you ask. i find it better to play a class so i can see for myself if its something that i will enjoy playing. or not. first hand experience is better than what someone else says. if you are looking for the next FOTM build than people are talking multi classing bard or ranger.

[Cetus]

theres nothing wrong with playing a caster barbarian. just don't expect to have better dps than a dps barbarian or ask for an improvement in dps if you are going to sacrifice dps for a blue bar and umd.

where did I sacrifice DPS?

[Munkenmo]

where did I sacrifice DPS?

Clearly you lost DPS by scrolling tensors, having a displace clicky and spending some points in the harper tree on Melee power and Know the angles... I'd ignore him, I don't see how engaging in that line of conversation will bring up anything productive.

How much ap did you spend in the horc racial tree? I've not been able to log into lam yet, but when I can, I want to see how my horc plays for a bit, before TRing into human and picking up heavy armor prof. The changes on paper don't look like they've been enough of a dps increase for my liking, so I'll be looking into survival options.

[Qhualor]

where did I sacrifice DPS?

i don't know your build, but my barb currently crits for higher numbers than yours right now on Live in FOTW. well did until i started doing more past lives on her. when i can actually log onto Lama again without these issues, i will definitely be doing my own personal testing.

judging by the videos i see you are using Harper. i didn't find the tree to be very appealing for a barb. the tree is a buffet of different enhancements and feats pulled from other classes. you have to take something useless or undesirable to access something higher in the tree that is desirable. you took Know the Angles. an Int based barb?

it looks like you are an OS. it seems the healing is too low for what its supposed to do. sure there will be some that will run into battle like you do and try to cleave mobs to death, but your typical player will be dead in 5 seconds doing that with that kind of healing. OS, despite some dps buffing, is still the defensive tree.

you lose dps by having to dismiss rage and scroll heal in emergency situations and rebuff. your rages otherwise weren't lasting very long. guess it wouldn't make sense to invest in duration if you are going to constantly dismiss, switch from weapon to heal scroll and buff scrolls, back to weapon while running around in circles trying to stay alive. are you 17 or more levels barb? i saw fatigue in the box and the icon pop up.

just looking at the enhancements on the hot bar, seeing how many hp you gain from rage and the length it doesn't look like you invested a lot in any of the barb trees.

[Monkey-Boy]

i don't know your build, but my barb currently crits for higher numbers than yours right now on Live in FOTW. well did until i started doing more past lives on her. when i can actually log onto Lama again without these issues, i will definitely be doing my own personal testing.

judging by the videos i see you are using Harper. i didn't find the tree to be very appealing for a barb. the tree is a buffet of different enhancements and feats pulled from other classes. you have to take something useless or undesirable to access something higher in the tree that is desirable. you took Know the Angles. an Int based barb?

it looks like you are an OS. it seems the healing is too low for what its supposed to do. sure there will be some that will run into battle like you do and try to cleave mobs to death, but your typical player will be dead in 5 seconds doing that with that kind of healing. OS, despite some dps buffing, is still the defensive tree.

you lose dps by having to dismiss rage and scroll heal in emergency situations and rebuff. your rages otherwise weren't lasting very long. guess it wouldn't make sense to invest in duration if you are going to constantly dismiss, switch from weapon to heal scroll and buff scrolls, back to weapon while running around in circles trying to stay alive. are you 17 or more levels barb? i saw fatigue in the box and the icon pop up.

just looking at the enhancements on the hot bar, seeing how many hp you gain from rage and the length it doesn't look like you invested a lot in any of the barb trees.

LOLz

[XxJFGxX]

Clearly you lost DPS by scrolling tensors, having a displace clicky and spending some points in the harper tree on Melee power and Know the angles... I'd ignore him, I don't see how engaging in that line of conversation will bring up anything productive.

How much ap did you spend in the horc racial tree? I've not been able to log into lam yet, but when I can, I want to see how my horc plays for a bit, before TRing into human and picking up heavy armor prof. The changes on paper don't look like they've been enough of a dps increase for my liking, so I'll be looking into survival options.

I wish I can get onto Lam. But still stuck on the character data/ subscription data for the whole weekend >.> I wanted to test so much lol

[Alternative]

They would have to do at least double the DPS of paladins to make them viable.

LOL, why not quadruple

[Cetus]

i don't know your build, but my barb currently crits for higher numbers than yours right now on Live in FOTW. well did until i started doing more past lives on her. when i can actually log onto Lama again without these issues, i will definitely be doing my own personal testing.

judging by the videos i see you are using Harper. i didn't find the tree to be very appealing for a barb. the tree is a buffet of different enhancements and feats pulled from other classes. you have to take something useless or undesirable to access something higher in the tree that is desirable. you took Know the Angles. an Int based barb?

it looks like you are an OS. it seems the healing is too low for what its supposed to do. sure there will be some that will run into battle like you do and try to cleave mobs to death, but your typical player will be dead in 5 seconds doing that with that kind of healing. OS, despite some dps buffing, is still the defensive tree.

you lose dps by having to dismiss rage and scroll heal in emergency situations and rebuff. your rages otherwise weren't lasting very long. guess it wouldn't make sense to invest in duration if you are going to constantly dismiss, switch from weapon to heal scroll and buff scrolls, back to weapon while running around in circles trying to stay alive. are you 17 or more levels barb? i saw fatigue in the box and the icon pop up.

just looking at the enhancements on the hot bar, seeing how many hp you gain from rage and the length it doesn't look like you invested a lot in any of the barb trees.

You could not have misjudged the build more lmao. Yes I'm pure barb. Yes I have berserker capstone, yes I took slaughter and laughter, I took human racial damage boost. Are you seriously thinking that I don't know how to build a barb?

Yes, your barb will crit for higher numbers in fotw if you adrenaline proc. Otherwise, I don't see how you can considering LD gives an additional multiplier.

You sir, aren't providing even convincing anecdotal evidence. Let alone demonstrable backup.

Yes I'm an int based barb. Lol, seriously?

I'm a strength based barb with intel as a secondary stat. 40 intel = like 7 damage with KtA, + 1 enhancement (+1 attack/damage), and 1 melee power. Where else are you going to get extra damage with those leftover AP like that?

[Cetus]

it looks like you are an OS.

By the way, this statement suggests that you didn't even finish watching the video - since I clearly reveal my AP's spent after I complete the quest. In both videos fyi.

[Qhualor]

By the way, this statement suggests that you didn't even finish watching the video - since I clearly reveal my AP's spent after I complete the quest. In both videos fyi.

No I didn't finish watching it. That quest is just wave after wave of mobs so after 10 minutes I skimmed through to halfway and stopped. I will watch the end later.