U24 Heart of Madness Items

[IronClan]

Lets talk about +1 Profane bonus to AC... What is +1 AC on a toon with relevant AC (near 200) about a 0.000000000000000000001% increase in miss chance?

What is it on a toon with irrelevant AC (say 0-80)... a 0.0% miss chance?

Make it +10 and there's a small chance it will actually benefit someone. it would still likely amount to a 0.1% improvement and that's still pathetic but at least it looks like it's doing something.

I have this same complaint about insightful PRR/MRR in most cases these bonuses amount to a number to the right of a decimal place.

[Ganak]

These items have limited appeal/value/usefulness in general to me.

Necklace is nice.

[noble_pirate]

I disagree with you and I disagree with anyone who says that TRing is end game. I disagree strongly.

Right now we are in a stupid spot where we are not 30. End game consists of 3 EE raids and that's it. Or EE soloing.

A really key question for any new player considering picking up DDO is "What is end game like?" or "What is the raiding scene like?" Lately that question has been totally ignored by Turbine. I suspect that they have lost potential players who've asked that question of DDO players and been told that the raiding scene is really really bad lately. It does not reflect well on DDO.

I reject utterly the concept that this game is all about TRing. TRing gives a tiny benefit past life and its a chance to use all your fun toys and a chance to use existing BTC gear on a different build if you want a change. It is *not* end game.

I would like to think that away in the background that Turbine are possibly thinking about level 30 and have good quality content and enough of it to start with coming up. There are plenty of players who refuse to TR (and some extremely good ones that have proved it is not necessary to play at the highest levels with no TR) who might try the game again. And some new players who might check out DDO if we have a strong and vital raid scene.

We ain't got that now to my mind.

And I am exasperated by people who are so ignorant to think that TRing is all there is and all that matters, who totally ignore what is a really basic thing with any persistent world game - you need an end game.

So strongly AGREE with you ((

[BigErkyKid]

Lets talk about +1 Profane bonus to AC... What is +1 AC on a toon with relevant AC (near 200) about a 0.000000000000000000001% increase in miss chance?

What is it on a toon with irrelevant AC (say 0-80)... a 0.0% miss chance?

Make it +10 and there's a small chance it will actually benefit someone. it would still likely amount to a 0.1% improvement and that's still pathetic but at least it looks like it's doing something.

I have this same complaint about insightful PRR/MRR in most cases these bonuses amount to a number to the right of a decimal place.

This iteration of lama has been so disappointing that I have mostly stop even bothering. The items are useless, the changes to barbarians underwhelming and they keep adding quests mid epics when we have seen with e3BC that is a huge waste.

You are in the council, go tell them to take a deep breath before they go back and put in some quality work.

[PublicEnemy]

And I am exasperated by people who are so ignorant to think that TRing is all there is and all that matters, who totally ignore what is a really basic thing with any persistent world game - you need an end game.

+1000

Riencarnation is a good AND original add/kind of gameplay but it ISN'T nor SHOULDN'T be the only one!

[Seikojin]

Sigh...

Yes, TF is supposed to be better. However, this doesn't change the fact that it is simply a mediocre item. What's the point of actually going for the mythic version? So you can level from 26-28? Whoop tee doo.

Yea, this is why releasing CR26 content is a doomed endeavor. Nobody uses gear from all those packs you just named except if they are constantly on the hamster wheel, in which case it doesn't matter anyway.

I have to disagree here. If they make gear for lvl 26 for lvl 26 content, and it is not as good as lvl 28 gear, that is fine. It is meant to fill the lvl 26 tier for more varieties of playstyles that existing lvl 26 gear offers.

Am I the only one to notice that this mythic arcane armour gets max dex bonus of... 12?

Really, 12?

I might consider it for my EK/rogue acrobat or even for my assassin, but both got dodge on 20's, so as soon as I saw that...

never!

Yeah, that was my biggest beef really. I think it should be a no cap armor. Or at least double.

Never ever ina million years did I think that I could be part of the 1%!!!

Not only do I feel special (I really do), but I do loiter at 28

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This is post is not meant to be sarcastic. I wish more people wound hang at L28, or at least stay for 20 FoT or CiTW completions, or whatever measurement used to stick around for a while. Embrace 28.

After getting my second up to the epics, I vowed never to be without at least 1 in the epic range. So I have 1 at 28 and a second up in the epics. But that one is being tr'd asap on his way towards completionist. I have 41 other characters, but that is a long road and I am fairly picky it seems about what I run.

[Cetus]

I have to disagree here. If they make gear for lvl 26 for lvl 26 content, and it is not as good as lvl 28 gear, that is fine. It is meant to fill the lvl 26 tier for more varieties of playstyles that existing lvl 26 gear offers.

You merely restated the issue. Of course lvl 26 gear won't be as good - I agree that it won't and should not be.

My problem is with the very release of such content. I consider it wasteful, and entirely unneeded lateral addition to a level range that, in my view, is much lower in importance and already contains ample amounts of content. Instead, we need vertical expansion.

[Oxarhamar]

You merely restated the issue. Of course lvl 26 gear won't be as good - I agree that it won't and should not be.

My problem is with the very release of such content. I consider it wasteful, and entirely unneeded lateral addition to a level range that, in my view, is much lower in importance and already contains ample amounts of content. Instead, we need vertical expansion.

Agreed

Aside from the loot being trash

We've got enough mid Epics and low Epics to ignore already

[IronClan]

And there's like 3 of you. For the vast majority of the playerbase, TRing is endgame, and it makes sense to design the game around those people. I'm not sure what else to say. Turbine knows where its bread and butter is, and it isn't players like you.

[Edit] and I just realized I had already responded to that post, but whatever bares repeating, be careful what you wish on end gamers you're liable to become one yourself.

You can make up ad populum numbers if you wish, it's the internet it's full of people who create their own narrative fiction and then dogmatically adhere to it.

The data shows that since Turbine made TR'ing the only end game they have suffered about 30% attrition... this is about 20% more than most healthy MMO's experience. Whereas months before they did that; the game was slowly growing in player activity. Not 10% attrition, GROWING. A turbine employee even stated that outstripping old end game without something in place at the new cap was a strategic mistake... right before he was fired.

All I see is a game dying faster than it needs to, and people propping up their own fiction "whistling past the grave yard" with smug comments about how end game players don't matter, and only their own favored play style is important.

I believe both playstyles are important, and you know what? I am 100% sure Turbine does as well. Despite this content and 3BC being poorly placed in mid epic I believe Turbine also feels that end game is important to build out, they just aren't as singularly focused on it as might be prudent to help stem the bleeding of players the game is experiencing without an end game.

Its funny but I never saw an end gamer wish TR hamster wheelers ill (probably because we used to be where you are) but you lot sure love to **** on end gamers. It's okay you can apologize one day when you reach the natural evolutionary step of wanting to run your final build in challenging content with friends you've made along the way; to see all that TR'ing pay off.

BTW I am a former "end game doesn't matter" person myself, takes one to know (a future) one.

[IronClan]

You are in the council, go tell them to take a deep breath before they go back and put in some quality work.

I um... If I argue any more strenuously, I wont be around for the last couple weeks of the council. You guys don't know the half it where this pack is concerned, I can not however tell you as it would break NDA. Suffice to say I objected.

Though to be honest the loot itself wasn't a battle I felt was worth fighting you kinda have to pick your battles. I believe I called most of it Meh for the ML it is at and objected to the first insightful +4 INT item (which was not mythic at first) being a piece of light armor. I also asked the same question everyone else did about who it's supposed to appeal to. We also didn't know the Pack was Xoriat and because of that we had no way to know just how non Xoriat flavored they were. On hindsight I wish we had inquired about that, it's really hard to critique gear without names or flavor.

[Archangel666]

I consider it wasteful, and entirely unneeded lateral addition to a level range that, in my view, is much lower in importance and already contains ample amounts of content. Instead, we need vertical expansion.

While this gear is all a steaming pile of poo in my opinion, I do disagree with your stance on Lateral vs Vertical progression.

The problem is that they've done it extremely poorly.

Purely as an example, if Turbine had added an item to the game (Back when the cap was 20) that had all of the same stats as the Torc, but made it a Ring instead of a Necklace, this gives more gearing options.

That's one example, there are plenty of others one could make.

The point about Lateral progression is about widening choices and giving more options.

Turbine have just messed it up rather badly in this case (To put it in the nicest terms I can).

*Edit before someone says "The Torc is hardly Endgame gear" or something to that effect*

My point is that there's nothing stopping Turbine from creating items with effects that they know are popular and placing them on different slots or different combinations.

[MangLord]

From my perspective, the only item that might be interesting to me is the Arcane Armor. It would round out my gear a little better for level 26-27 (I feel like my ML23 red dragon scales are more useful than either white or black flawless sets, and shadow scales are largely redundant except for healing undead while they attack me).

However, the max dex/dodge bonus on the Lammania version is just terrible. There is no way I'm going to give up 7% dodge and 10+ dex AC points just for a little extra SP and a couple extra points in CON and INT. I honesty can't think of anyone that would actually use this armor in its current form.

[DDOisFree]

Does the mythic arcane armour only drop on EE? I want to get one.