CLONK... 'cause it's fun to say

[TitoJ]

Just looking for feedback on this build I'm working on. Just go ahead and make fun of it, and ask "why'd you do that there?" and say "WTC were you drinking when you made them keyboard strokes there?!?"

I don't really know what I'm doing, but I just put a few things together that made me think I could heal some people and maybe hit a few things with my fists. Never really played a clonk though, but I'm getting my second monk life under my belt.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 267
Spell Points: 1355 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 7
Will: 23

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   23
Dexterity             8                  7                    7
Constitution         15                 15                   15
Intelligence          6                  6                    6
Wisdom               18                 21                   23
Charisma             12                 12                   12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Fury (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Fury (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Fury (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Mighty Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Unyielding Sovereignty (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Static Charge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Patient Tortoise (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - All-Consuming Flame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 3)

[psykopeta]

few tips:

- u haven't taken a lvl 18 feat
- ur stunning fist dc will be quite low as it depends on monk lvls too, so with only 2 monk lvls isn't a good idea, toughness and extra turning are wasted feats
- for healing u only need 11 cleric lvls for the heal spell, and quicken and empower healing

i wouldn't bother with aura or boosting it, so u could go with more monk lvls and get stunning fist (or even go with the tier 5 from shintao) instead of having so many cleric lvls

heal mass is a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long casting spell, even quickened, w/o quicken is a wasted spell

just saying, i have 3 clr, 3 fvs and 2 monk pl (the rest of pl aren't related with what u posted XD)

if you have some experience with monks, just play that cleric as another monk who has the heal spell, healing burst and if you want, healing aura (is a tier 5 and isn't really that great)

also could go 17 cleric and 3 monk, go light so you get the -25% sp finisher, w/o stunning fist ofc

there're several options depending on what you wanna play, hard to mess it :P

PS: with 7 reflex evade is useless, just saying XD

[Monkey-Boy]

- ur stunning fist dc will be quite low as it depends on monk lvls too, so with only 2 monk lvls isn't a good idea, toughness and extra turning are wasted feats

wrong.

[Saekee]

few tips:

- u haven't taken a lvl 18 feat
- ur stunning fist dc will be quite low as it depends on monk lvls too, so with only 2 monk lvls isn't a good idea, toughness and extra turning are wasted feats
- for healing u only need 11 cleric lvls for the heal spell, and quicken and empower healing

i wouldn't bother with aura or boosting it, so u could go with more monk lvls and get stunning fist (or even go with the tier 5 from shintao) instead of having so many cleric lvls

heal mass is a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long casting spell, even quickened, w/o quicken is a wasted spell

just saying, i have 3 clr, 3 fvs and 2 monk pl (the rest of pl aren't related with what u posted XD)

if you have some experience with monks, just play that cleric as another monk who has the heal spell, healing burst and if you want, healing aura (is a tier 5 and isn't really that great)

also could go 17 cleric and 3 monk, go light so you get the -25% sp finisher, w/o stunning fist ofc

there're several options depending on what you wanna play, hard to mess it :P

PS: with 7 reflex evade is useless, just saying XD

stunning fist is based on half character level, wisdom mods plus tactical bonuses--in the past it was based on monk levels only but that was changed some time ago. So just crank up your wisdom, build in tactical gear etc

[Makkuroi]

stunning fist isnt based on monk lvl, its based on char lvl and wis. It works perfectly fine on a clonk. (I played 3 clonk-like lives).

Wis-based clonks are nice for dc casting (mostly implosion, mass frog if mobs have no SR) and stunning fist, and can use draconic burst and GMoF effectively, but the dps against red-names (giants in storm horns... urgh) is horribly low. You need to find a solution there. Id also recommend going 17 cleric and either 3 monk or 2 monk/1x as a wis/dc based clonk. I still like aura for self-healing, but other options (warpriest?) might be better since self-healing isnt really a problem for a clonk.

If you want more melee dps, you should try less cleric and maybe some pally. Or more monk for tier 5 shintao, str/cha based staff dps, no wis.

[MeliCat]

oh i adore playing clonks. i used to like them much more before the enhancement pass but they are still super fun.

My personal preference (and keep in mind that *no one* and I mean *no one* would come to *me* for building advice) is more caster feats although i'm going to try doing the monk stances because the extra wisdom OR the extra hp/dr stuff is probably better. i find i get away with about 11 to 14 turn undeads and positive blast is one of the main ways i'll heal. mind you this is often playing with people who don't actually need much healing. so i wouldn't find extra turn undead that useful - but it looks like from your enhancements you want to actaully turn undead -rather than use the turn undead turns for healing? if you want a turn undead specced character that is another beastie and others here might advise you.

i am also slack about mental toughness... with gear (i went and eventually got a bauble for example) and with playing with a lot of people who don't need as much healing and doing CC casting from GMoF i get away with a smaller sp pool by using positive bursts and aura. a lot of the time it's only those big battles where everything is going crazy where i find i need to fall back to a lot of healing.

also these days as there is no requirement to take empower healing for radiant servant pre, ... i um... am even slacker and don't take it. for the most part i just find there is just so so much healing going on that i'm over healing.

you may want to way up the benefits of taking toughness or not. time was EVERYONE took toughness. the devs very sensibly looked at that during the enhancement pass and gave us all some standard hp so it's not as needed. with a bit of sensible gear you might use that feat for something else as well....

so... so far if any of the above is valid ... that frees up 5 feats plus the missing one at 18... so if you spread them out correctly (they have min levels you can take them) you could slot in the 4 monk forms feats. then may idk... depends on your preference... heighten maybe if you want to CC or insta kill (my pref), extend if you get sick of casting DV and DP (i live without...), oh and quicken (i think most people are going to highly highly suggest you take this) and/or other melee type feats.

and yes clonks have sucky reflex. i live with it. you just have to be quick and careful. evasion works way better than it should.

but really what *you* feel comfortable playing is going to be different to what *i* like playing. so i hope you get lots and lots of advice (much better than mine!) and find something that works for you.

enjoy!

[TitoJ]

Awesome feedback ya'll.

I'm definitely on board with quicken, I had played a cleric up to lvl 19, and I had forgotten about how long heal took to cast. Also, I have an open spot for that lol.

I think I'd like to keep all the SP boosts, just because I always seem to find a way to blow every bit of SP I have, no matter what type of caster I play.

I'll look into adjusting my monk feats too, thanks for the input on that.

Thanks for the clarifications on stunning fist too.

Also, if I lose a cleric lvl, I think I lose access to lvl 9 spells. Not that I've mentioned that that mattered to me, but I think it does a little bit.

Anyway, input thus far has been very helpful.

[Munkenmo]

Also, if I lose a cleric lvl, I think I lose access to lvl 9 spells. Not that I've mentioned that that mattered to me, but I think it does a little bit.

Clerics get 2 level 9 spell slots at level 17.
I'd go for a 17cleric,2monk,1wizard and pick up another meta magic feat.

[TitoJ]

Clerics get 2 level 9 spell slots at level 17.
I'd go for a 17cleric,2monk,1wizard and pick up another meta magic feat.

Ok, yeah. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know why I'm having so much trouble getting things right with the char generator lol.

[TitoJ]

Well giving consideration to everything you all have said, I've changed around to get quicken, still on the fence on heighten because I took it as a sorc, but never used it. Ignorance playing into how well my insta kills will work without it... not even sure how much I'll use them on the clonk. I do as a sorc all the time though.

However, I still wanted to use Maximize and Empower Healing, to boost the positive energy burst. I was wanting to keep the extra turns feat to spam it as much as possible.

I remember playing my straight cleric how much I loved using that burst with max and empower on, which is really the only reason I wanted to take them.

Also, what feats would anyone suggest I get to boost my combat damage, being that without moving my base points around I don't have enough dex for twf feats.

I took toughness because at the time I thought it was the best monk feat available, I could replace that with power attack. Again though, I'm a little ignorant on how differently my to hit will suffer using PA as a clonk, vs. as a straight monk. I never take PA off as a monk.

Just some random **** going through my head as I continue to work on the gimpest clonk eva build!!!

[Munkenmo]

I took toughness because at the time I thought it was the best monk feat available, I could replace that with power attack. Again though, I'm a little ignorant on how differently my to hit will suffer using PA as a clonk, vs. as a straight monk. I never take PA off as a monk.

Just some random **** going through my head as I continue to work on the gimpest clonk eva build!!!

If you've got no dex and no room for twf, I'd seriously consider going 2fighter instead. You'll lose 2 wisdom from water stance, but the MRR/PRR boost you get from heavy armor will make you much more durable (especially with your aura) which in itself will be a proxy boost to your melee dps, pick up 2* shield mastery feats and you'll be even more durable and gain some double strike.

If you really do prefer a centered play style, sacrifice some strength and some cha (I'm assuming you're investing in cha for divine might). What good are they if they're costing you 60% off hand attacks?

As for power attack and to hit. Don't worry about to hit, there's a random value in the to hit formula now and in general to hit doesn't matter as much used to.

Also why are you going for half orc? it's spreading you rather thin vs human or even (shudder) drow.

[Impaqt]

The problem with Clonks is that you need to commit to melee or healing. There simply isnt enough feats to go around to do both effectively.

Luckily, healing is becoming less and less critical in todays DDO. today, we can get by on Empower healing and a few enhancements.

My next cleric/monk is going tolook something like this

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Level 28 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(3 Monk \ 17 Cleric \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 364
Spell Points: 1511 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 14
Will: 27

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             14                    17
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    17
Intelligence         11                    14
Wisdom               17                    35
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               2                    12
Bluff                -1                     8
Concentration         6                    21
Diplomacy            -1                    11
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle               -1                     8
Heal                  7                    28
Hide                  2                    12
Intimidate           -1                     8
Jump                  2                    11
Listen                3                    20
Move Silently         2                    12
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                    10
Search                0                    10
Spellcraft            4                    15
Spot                  3                    20
Swim                  2                    11
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Ruin


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Mass Frog
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Spell Power Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Divine Emissary of Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sun Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sunbeam (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Light (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Light (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Force (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Force (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Force (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Divine Empowerment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Restoring the Balance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Difficulty at the Beginning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)

Melee/DPS focus with just enough healing.