A sneak peek at Update 24’s dungeons … and beyond

[FuzzyDuck81]

Ok, on break so had a chance to look into the tyranny of dragons thing... now i'm really, really hoping we get to see Tiamat in DDO - come on, she's THE iconic evil dragon of D&D!

[LordKalkin]

I like Xoriat. beholders, for me, are very iconic of the D&D game. I don't know much about the temple of elemental evil, but it has me intrigued. Also, I get pushing back content, but I had the impression it was mostly done already? Are we still getting epic destiny revamps soon? And are we still getting intelligent weapons eventually? Cause those are the things I'm excited about.

If the hire AI pass doesn't serve as a warning on intelligent weapons I don't know what would.

[CaptainSpacePony]

Once at 20 no-one wants to run Lvl 17-19 quests on Elite as they give less than HALF the XP of an Epic Normal VoN 3/4, Spies or Wiz King!

Another Lvl 16 quest isn't needed either - Lvl 10-12 is where we need new quests!

I agree with the quoted text.

[LordKalkin]

Please do not release another set of ludicrous power creep loot that relegates thunderhome and eOrchard stuff to the dustbin. Try to understand the frustration level of the entire player base when this is done.

[Claver]

For the love of god, no more furniture excort quests! Who exactly was saying those are the favorites??

Me. These are favorite quests of mine I make a point to run on every character and every TR. I want quests that are original and unlike other quests already in the game - preferably something with slightly different game play, distinct visuals, strong story and maybe a small dose of humor and an optional puzzle.

I find Acute Delirium novel and fun. It was innovative for its time.

- First mimic in the game
- Quest with Sorcerer Apprentice like marching furniture
- A flying "Airship" assembled from beds
- First quest in game where you fight on an "airship"
- First quest in the game where you fight inside a monster (Giant Beholder)
- Crazy endboss dialog


For those who don't care for Acute Delirium or other Madness quests - what is your complaint?

- Too Silly?
- Too difficult on elite @ level with BB?
- Poor xp per minute?
- Unsatisfactory named loot?
- Unimaginative?
- Too similar to all other quests?
- Repetitive grind mechanics?


What is your criteria for the quests the Devs should be making?

[Uska]

While excited a little you will probably ruin it in my eyes.

1. It should be greyhawk and if it's in the realms it's ruined for me I don't do the realms Eberron would be as almost as big an insult to it but no so much I would try it if not for 2.

2. You will make it end or near end game when it shouldnt be and then evening you made it in greyhawk I wouldn't be likely to touch it

[Uska]

interesting that Xoriat is a fan favorite and not Anauroch. I think you guys are confused with xp/min Sane Asylum as the actual reason why its run. never have I been in a group doing it the "long" way or fighting Left Eye/Right Eye. good luck trying to get a group together to run the whole chain. it was easier before the xp curve change, but not now. personally not a fan of any of the Madness and Xoriat quests, but I do still run them. to be honest, not looking forward to more of them, but I will check them out of course since they would be new quests and who knows, maybe I would like them.

definitely looking forward to Tyranny of Dragons. that whole thing is just cool. personally think they should be level 15 quests because we have plenty of 16s. level 15 is the last heroic level range that needs a few more quests. when I IR, I end up farming Litany and Missing because lack of level 15 content. either way, its exciting to get Tyranny at any level range.

kudos on learning from the actual fan favorite Haunted Halls and continuing on with that idea.

ill be on Lamma for sure if 202 error is fixed this time.

edit: put in right quest name

Hated the idea of another desert especially one in the realms and haven't touched the Haunted Halls agsin I hate the realms.

Yeah i don't hardly touch the Delrium or any of the associated quests


Hated the idea of Tryanny of dragons happening here but mainly due to realms connection
They haven't said much about the up coming update that exites me except the Temple which I am sure they will make it so I have no desire to,play it

[Uska]

Oh I'm all for Temple but it it's anything like Haunted Halls i.e. a Zerg Fest then No!

Again: Haunted Halls doesn't feel {Lore or Roleplay wise} like an Epic Dungeon!

If the Devs had put it at Lvl 6 it would be just as good if not better on the standard version {extended could have been placed at say Lvl 12.}.

Temple needs to be as good {if not better than} as Haunted Halls on the first exploration BUT it also needs to FEEL like an Epic Dungeon AND be much much better on subsequent runs!
I.E. NO ZERGING ALLOWED!!!

Temple should be true to its roots and not be an epic level dungeon heck they should even put a level cap on it. It should have an Epic feel to it yes


The more I think about what they will probably do to it the madder I get.

[Uska]

Exactly what player feedback on Anaurock?

The same type of player feedback with Crystal Cove Augments that got scrapped because, a few players said "boo"?


Common man! let's have some surveys or at least threads for/against for this type of player content killing feedback so we can see that this is actually what the players want.

I might even go as far as to have an in game survey on log in for such things. In that case every active player gets a voice not just the few on the forums who are saying "boo"


Tell us please, how many players disliked or liked Anaurock?

I loathe Anaurock beyond belief

[Loromir]

Yeah - I'll run them {I need the Favour} but there's no way I'll ever step into the Epic Versions!

If they make some useful loot and maybe build on the old madness upgrading system...then maybe there might be some Epic Replay value....Before MOTU, a few items from the Madness quests were quite useful, and still are at the lvl 15-20 range (Parasitic Breastplate that is upgradeable, Bow of Sinew, Turbulent Epee to name a couple). Give us Epic versions (ML26) of these items and you might see people running these quests.


I'm excited about the next 2 updates.

[Uska]

I'm on the forums every day and I haven't seen any concerted player feedback for OR against Anauroch!

This feedback isn't coming from the forums - It's not coming from In-Game - Where is it coming from exactly?

I have posted I hated it since it was first mentioned for a couple reasons

1. It's in the realms

2. Another desert we really need another one?

[Loromir]

I'm on the forums every day and I haven't seen any concerted player feedback for OR against Anauroch!

This feedback isn't coming from the forums - It's not coming from In-Game - Where is it coming from exactly?

I am betting that Anauroch was too big of a project for the staff currently allocated to DDO. Just my speculation.

[Uska]

I'm really, really, REALLY happy to see a brand new Eberron chain added. Since MotU, all we had was epic versions of old dungeons, and Brothers of Forge. It being Xoriat related makes it even better. Thanks you. A lot.

ToEE is an interesting surprise, and while I am myself a casual player, I would like to implore you to make this quest as hard and harsh as possible. Harsh as in "will take the best players in the game a few weeks before first full dungeon completion". To avoid the zergrush that infested Haunted Halls, I would suggest a "miniboss secret counter" and miniboss random locations, so that only after defeating all minibosses, the big optional boss will spawn (also in a random location). You can keep the "quest final boss" concept of HH for quest completion and XP, but gate the real big loot behind something that requires a full search.



I talk all the time about not adding anything Forgotten Realms related. Does this count?

Me to and just look to my sig to see how I really feel about the realms

[Uska]

I remember that module and how long we had to wait for it to continue.

[Uska]

You're not alone there BUT I don't believe the Devs have put Anaurouch on the back burner simply because some people hate the Realms.

Either that or Uska has far more clout with Turbine than any of us thought!

OOOH fourm title Uska The Bane of Anaurouch

[Uska]

Only one reference to that game is needed. The frogs auto-swallow paladins, every attack, and make them their primary targets.

It needs to swallow bard and barbs as well

[Uska]

Also related to the TOEE and Greyhawk: where will TOEE be placed in the DDO game world? Might we actually get to visit Greyhawk?!?!

That would make what is going to be a bitter pill for me easier to swallow but I don't see it happening.

[Uska]

I agree with the quoted text.

If the temple was at that range I might even be willing to break my no realms rule and play it.

[Paleus]

Since The Haunted Halls of Eveningstar was received so well, we’ve decided to adapt another classic pen-and-paper module to DDO. Rather than blabbing on, I’ll skip right to the awesome part and give you five simple words:

The Temple of Elemental Evil.

Yep, we will be creating our own version of the original, classic Temple inside DDO. We’re very excited about adapting one of the most famous modules in Dungeons and Dragons history, and we hope you are too.

Excuse me while I go get a change of pants because that just made my day way too much.

[Saekee]

Thx for update--very exciting! I love the other quests you designed and the Lordsmarch chain are among my favorites.
The Xoriat quests are some of the most challenging and bizarre--should be interesting; not sure premies will buy it unless 'shinies' are very good.

I still pee a little in my pants when I hear that deep beholder groan. Well my next TR might need to be a KofC or Pale Master...