Is there any reason to be Warforged instead of Bladeforged?

[arminius]

I apologize if this topic has been beaten to death, I would imagine it was when Bladeforged were introduced, but I couldn't find threads that addressed this directly.

If I have to TR a Warforged Archmage to a final life, where I still want to be an Archmage, is there any reason at all that it should stay Warforged instead of becoming Bladeforged? It seems like Bladeforged are everything good about Warforged, with additional good stuff on top of that, and no drawbacks. Is that really right, or am I missing something?

[Monkey-Boy]

it costs money to LR out that pally level if you don't want/need it.

other than that BF is better.

[Dreppo]

BF are generally better than WF. But I can think of a few possible reasons to choose WF over BF:

1) WF have a 10% higher base positive healing multiplier (50%, up to 80% with enhancements) than BF (40%, up to 70% with enhancements).
2) If you want to TR at 20.
3) If you don't want a forced paladin level or a forced lawful good alignment (can be gotten around with LR heart and alignment change, but costly).
4) If you have an AP tight build in mind that can't spare points in the racial tree (not a WF advantage per se, but negates BF's biggest advantage which is the reconstruct SLA).

[SirValentine]

1-20 instead of 15-28. If you like 1-20 content better, WF is for you!

[mezzorco]

If you want to play a dex based toon with some sort of selfhealing capability, WF could be better.




And pretty much every other race would be better than WF.

[Wipey]

Have you seen Ninja Turtles ? That Bladeforged looking bad guy is kind of a jerk.
So there's that.

Warforged are retro.
You won't have many points to spend in racial tree, have Recon already, can be True neutral and don't have to spend TP.

[Eth]

Druid-form. Warforged/Bladeforged traits get overwritten, but you can still keep things like increased fortification from racial tree. But you can't use the BF reconstruct, since you count as fleshy.
That's pretty niche though.
Apart from that builds that don't want be limited to the 1 pally or don't want to spend a LR+1 heart, I guess.

[FuzzyDuck81]

If you want silver flame or sovereign host as your divinity choice instead of being locked in to lord of blades... again, rather niche.

[Therigar]

Reading the original post and also the replies, I cannot think of a single reason to be warforged rather than bladeforged.

Yes, you do need a +1 heart and yes, you do need an alignment change if LG isn't what you want. Those are not reasons.

Because you want to be an Archmage none of the other issues raised by previous posters has any relevance, including complaints about looks. Cosmetic armor handles that just fine.

As an Archmage you will have sufficient AP to spend some in the racial tree. With the majority of the players preferring Pale Master it might seem counter-intuitive to play an Archmage. But, if that is what you are wanting then you really have very little need for enhancements from other Wizard trees. So that is not a concern.

The reason to be wizard and any forged is so that healing and healing amp are irrelevant. Again, not a concern.

You are going for wizard Archmage so niche concerns don't apply.

That means that Monkey-Boy has already identified the only reason to not select bladeforged -- if you cannot get a +1 heart and/or if you cannot live with/change the LG alignment.

If I couldn't do those things I wouldn't even be coming to the forums asking if I'd missed something.

[Wipey]

No Palemaster, "suboptimal" race, perhaps even less than ideal primary spell focus ( well Web SLA is cool but still, not that universal ).
Such character would need even more focus to raise his DCs. And for other schools too, Enchant, maybe Transmutation.
It's a Wizard after all, he might not be spending points in PM tree but Harper and EK. For those Intelligence brackets.

Those points are thousand times more important than any racial stuff. On any DC caster.

Unless it's a Shiradi, then completely different approach is possible.

[Eth]

The ideal AP distribution for your case would be 41AM/24Harper/12EK(or PM) which would net you 11 Int from enhancements.
That would leave you with 3 AP which is not enough to pick up community of scribing or invest into anything diverse regarding warforged/bladeforged tree.
So for 'max Int' BF or WF is not of matter in your specific case.

If you are willing to drop at least 1 Int, it would be of difference, then you get the cheaper reconstruct ofc and a backup reconstruct, but honestly why would you even need 2 reconstructs on different timers on a wizard?