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    Default Sneak Attack Focused Melee Wolf (15dru/3rog/2wiz)

    Figured I should update this even though people don't seem too interested. Changed the split to 15dru/4rog/1wiz for Killer in the assassin tree, which is an extra 20% DS.

    This is my personal build that doesnt use any exploiting of animal form to achieve high dps. Its a sword and board doublestrike and SA build. 15d6 SA with 52 melee power is anywhere between 85-115 damage. 71% doublestrike makes it that much better.

    This build does not utilize any caster elements of druids like earthquake. The only spell I cast are melee buffs and heals. I prefer the 15 druid because it provides a very effective self-healing method which i think some of the exploiter druids lack. I.E. like the 8 and 9 druid builds.

    Even with the new changes to paladin and bard trees, I still see myself at the top of kill count. Kill count isnt the best judge of dps but its the best thing ddo offers.

    Unfortunately with my set up I can't take advantage of the evasion b/c I use a large shield. If its really important to the player you use a small shield.

    The build can easily be made as a first life or second life; all you need to do is drop some wisdom. It can also be made with other races if you dont have Shadar-kai but you'll lose out on 2d6 sneaks attack. In no way does that lose break the build.

    15dru/4rog/1wiz - Shadar-kai - True neutral

    Stats:
    18 str - 63 at 28
    13 dex - for precision at level 3
    13 con - 30 at 28
    10 int
    16 wis - 34 at 28
    All level-ups in str.

    Saves:
    44/45/49
    Bad to say the least but using a sword and board gives you over 100 prr and 55 mrr depending on your gear.

    Feats:
    Dodge
    Precision
    Empower heal
    Shield mastery
    Improv shield mastery
    Improv crit: Bludgeon
    Nat Fighting
    OC
    Nat Fight
    PTWF
    Nat Fight
    Elusive target

    Enhancements:
    Race Tree:
    2 core
    Bold x3
    Ghostly ess x3
    Guile x2

    Nature Warrior:
    Core x4
    Wild emp x3
    Sifting rake x1
    Flight x3
    Vengeful Hunt x3
    AB: DS x3
    Fight x3
    Improv Dodge x3
    Four legs x1
    Str x2
    Ess of Turtle and Shrike x2
    Alpha Strike x3
    Celerity x3
    Nat Adept x3

    Eldritch Knight:
    Core x1
    HP x1

    Assassin
    Core x2
    SA Training x4
    Stealthy x3
    Damage boost x1
    Bleed them out x3
    Crit acc x3
    Crit dmg x3
    Killer x3

    Destiny:
    Legendary Dreadnought
    Shadowdancer for undead

    Twists:
    Legendary shield mastery - Unyielding
    Balanced attacks - Primal
    Primal scream or cocoon are my main two but is open to what the player wants

    Gear:
    Epic Mentaus Goggles
    Mythic Emerald Gaze w/wis +7 augment
    Deadly +10 of wizardry X necklace
    Epic Litany of the Dead 2 w/GL +2 slotted
    Epic Cloak of Ice
    Sp greensteel belt
    Doublestrike 6% ring
    Iron Mitts w/+8 con slotted
    Epic Boots of Innocent
    Seal of House Avithoul
    Dumthoins Bracers w/Globe slotted
    2d6 SA Flawless Shadowhide armor w/prot +7 and FL +40 slotted
    Weapon: TF axe (headmans chops from LD works in animal form)
    Shield: Dethek Runestone w/dev 138 slotted

    Comments and question are welcomed as always.
    Last edited by MousePointer; 11-05-2014 at 01:57 AM. Reason: New split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MousePointer View Post
    13 dex - for precision at level 1
    Precision req's BAB 1, so you wouldn't be able to take it at lvl 1 on this build. Not a big deal, though: just move Dodge or Shield Mastery to lvl 1 and Precision to lvl 3 or higher. ETA: this also means you could start w/DEX below 13 if you have a sufficient DEX tome.
    Weapon: TF AXE AXE AXE (headmans chops works in animal from LD destiny)
    I may be mistaken, but I believe Anvil of Thunder also works in animal form while you have the right weapon equipped. Pretty sure Lightning Mace does on my druid w/club equipped, anyway.

    Since you're not Twisting Sense Weakness, did you consider going rog 4 / wiz 1 to pick up No Mercy + Killer? Extra DPS on a build with free stuns from Balanced Atks + Anvil of Thunder would be nice; and I believe Killer stacks with your other doublestrike bonuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Precision req's BAB 1, so you wouldn't be able to take it at lvl 1 on this build. Not a big deal, though: just move Dodge or Shield Mastery to lvl 1 and Precision to lvl 3 or higher. ETA: this also means you could start w/DEX below 13 if you have a sufficient DEX tome.

    I may be mistaken, but I believe Anvil of Thunder also works in animal form while you have the right weapon equipped. Pretty sure Lightning Mace does on my druid w/club equipped, anyway.

    Since you're not Twisting Sense Weakness, did you consider going rog 4 / wiz 1 to pick up No Mercy + Killer? Extra DPS on a build with free stuns from Balanced Atks + Anvil of Thunder would be nice; and I believe Killer stacks with your other doublestrike bonuses.
    The feats arent really in any order, didnt feel like figuring that out.

    Killer is a possibility but i cant take it and no mercy. This would require a loss of AP's from some other tree.

    The reason for the 2 wizard is DS 2% and martial wep proficiency. This is needed for using any axe. Could possibly give up 1 feat like dodge. Might be worth it for 25% DS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MousePointer View Post
    The feats arent really in any order, didnt feel like figuring that out.
    Feat order is important, though, since you have several which can't be taken before lvl 12, either due to BAB pre-reqs (IC:B, ISM) or needing druid lvl 9 (Nat Fighting). So, say, SM @ 1, Precision @ 3, Dodge @ 6, Emp Heal @ 9, IC:B @ 12, ISM @ 15, NF @ 18, OC @ 21, NF again @ 24 & 27.
    Killer is a possibility but i cant take it and no mercy. This would require a loss of AP's from some other tree.
    True: Killer is 26 APs and No Mercy is 23 APs, so that leaves only 31 APs for NW. But Killer by itself is enough to justify rog 4, IMHO, unless you've got a morale bonus to doublestrike already.
    The reason for the 2 wizard is DS 2% and martial wep proficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Feat order is important, though, since you have several which can't be taken before lvl 12, either due to BAB pre-reqs (IC:B, ISM) or needing druid lvl 9 (Nat Fighting). So, say, SM @ 1, Precision @ 3, Dodge @ 6, Emp Heal @ 9, IC:B @ 12, ISM @ 15, NF @ 18, OC @ 21, NF again @ 24 & 27.

    True: Killer is 26 APs and No Mercy is 23 APs, so that leaves only 31 APs for NW. But Killer by itself is enough to justify rog 4, IMHO, unless you've got a morale bonus to doublestrike already.

    Just cast Master's Touch on yourself.
    I cant uses masters touch and have magic fang. Thats +4 enhancement bonus to weapon. I rather drop dodge as its not needed but only for the four good legs enhancement.

    Edit: Just tested it, I guess I was wrong. It does stay with magic fang.

    Ill also rework feats in order.
    Last edited by MousePointer; 10-20-2014 at 11:07 PM.

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    since im thinking about TRing my current rogue and wanna make a druid out of him, this build seems kinda fitting, ive got a question:
    you are going strenght based cause of your weapon choice, but i would take a differant route (cause of the weapons/gear i have and the fact that i dont own thunderforged weapons) and go dexbased. the only real change would be that id have to fit in weapon finesse so i get dex to damage with the 2nd assassin core but besides that: would the build still work? or is the high str needed for something that i just dont see?

    also in which order the levels are taken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visty View Post
    you are going strenght based cause of your weapon choice, but i would take a differant route (cause of the weapons/gear i have and the fact that i dont own thunderforged weapons) and go dexbased.
    AFAIK, none of the DEX-to-dmg options work with unarmed combat, which inc. animal forms. INT-to-dmg from Harper does, IIRC, but otherwise you're stuck going STR for dmg on wolf druids.
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    i see

    just tested that myself and yeah, only the dex to hit does work (from weapon finesse) but the damage is still from str

    which sucks cause i already TRed into that and dont have the points for a lesser heart to fix that^^
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