**** Dungeon Alert!

[elg582]

It killed me again, today; a little lag, a rubber band over the wrong spot, and BAM! 20 bats in Coalescence Chamber, red alert, and between being harried, hamstrung and sickened, it was literally impossible to get to the caster who killed me.


This has gone on long enough. Dungeon Alert was a stupid idea when it was implemented, did not fix anything, and has created a huge problem. It is long past time for it to go.

At least there is a workaround for the ladder bug (i.e. always jump onto the ladder), but there is no way to get around DA in certain quests.

[Loromir]

It killed me again, today; a little lag, a rubber band over the wrong spot, and BAM! 20 bats in Coalescence Chamber, red alert, and between being harried, hamstrung and sickened, it was literally impossible to get to the caster who killed me.


This has gone on long enough. Dungeon Alert was a stupid idea when it was implemented, did not fix anything, and has created a huge problem. It is long past time for it to go.

At least there is a workaround for the ladder bug (i.e. always jump onto the ladder), but there is no way to get around DA in certain quests.

Hmm...I rarely get dungeon alert in Coal Chamber. Has something changed?

[Qhualor]

To get DA the way OP explained you have to be zerging. Sounds like WAI to me.

[Rys]

Hmm...I rarely get dungeon alert in Coal Chamber. Has something changed?

[Braegan]

To get DA the way OP explained you have to be zerging. Sounds like WAI to me.

There are a couple areas where you can get DA ramped up without zerging, invising, etc. Coal is one of them. For those few quests the threshold needs to be adjusted.

[Qhualor]

There are a couple areas where you can get DA ramped up without zerging, invising, etc. Coal is one of them. For those few quests the threshold needs to be adjusted.

the only way to get DA in Coal without zerging is in the side caves with the bats. you get green DA.

[Braegan]

the only way to get DA in Coal without zerging is in the side caves with the bats. you get green DA.

It's been awhile but I remember getting red alert there a few times, solo and in groups. Sometimes with the fall down (if you don't invis) you get the agro of everything on the way down plus whatever is on the level you land on. But, I don't think the whole thing needs to be thrown out or anything a few tweaks here and there would be nice tho.

[Qhualor]

It's been awhile but I remember getting red alert there a few times, solo and in groups. Sometimes with the fall down (if you don't invis) you get the agro of everything on the way down plus whatever is on the level you land on. But, I don't think the whole thing needs to be thrown out or anything a few tweaks here and there would be nice tho.

yeah, if you fall from the top and don't invis down or kill on the way down you can get it as high as red DA. that's what happens when you don't kill things as you go by them

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Hmm...I rarely get dungeon alert in Coal Chamber. Has something changed?

Quite the contrary.... most players still think it's easier to run by everything in there.
(and still think they need to farm bats to get Conquest....)

[Braegan]

yeah, if you fall from the top and don't invis down or kill on the way down you can get it as high as red DA. that's what happens when you don't kill things as you go by them

Weird, I know I've cleared as I went and still gotten DA in there. But, again am not against DA in general ( I don't really like it, but I pick and choose my battles heh), I do feel some quests could use a threshold tweak. Also, you can get harried before Red Alert, which can lead to bad things when coupled with lag.

[elg582]

Well, having run Coal Chamber a few hundred times, I can tell you exactly what happens:

A group of bats aggro, but one gets stuck, so you kill the rest, but the one is stuck in a wall or pillar, so the DA went up to yellow, then back down to green, but since you didn't kill all the bats, it doesn't go away, so the next group of bats takes it up to orange, but one of them falls down the shaft, so your options are to take 5 minutes to go hunt down a single bat (while more spawn on the way, defeating the purpose), or continue on with a now base yellow DA.

What kills you is when you rubber band back across a dirt patch after trying to get to a caster, who is now aware of you, but you are way back out of melee range all of a sudden, surrounded by bats, with an orange/red DA and an angry caster zapping you.


Now, the core issue here is that THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR DUNGEON ALERT IN THE FIRST PLACE. We got fed a load of hooey about what it did and why they implemented it, that never made any sense, and it did nothing but make everything worse.

Oh, it slowed down those zergers, huh? WHO GIVES A ****?! If someone wants to zerg, let them zerg; if someone wants to take their time and enjoy the quest, let them do that, too. This is the online equivalent of the PnP DM throwing a hissy fit because the party outsmarted the dungeon he designed, so he just starts making stuff up to kill them off.

Or there was the excuse that it was supposed to fix lag.... by adding another process for the servers to handle and more packets to send back and forth to the client. Of course, in Turbine lingo, "fix" means "make worse," so I guess that's par for the course.


Get rid of it already!

[Qhualor]

not killing 1 bat doesn't create an alert. not killing a bunch of bats causes the alert to go to green as you encounter a group of mobs. not killing the next bunch of bats causes the DA to go up to yellow if the original bats that were skipped did not reset in 5 minutes. the process continues up to red as long as you skip mobs.

ive done CC hundreds of times myself and i know for a fact that the only way to get DA in CC is the side cave with bats gives automatic green DA and DA will go up if you fall down the shaft not killing mobs or not going invis from the top down to get to the first key room. when you enter the key room DA goes up more until you start killing. ive skipped a bat here and there or a trog here and there and not stop to kill spawning scorps every single time, but still killed most of the mobs on the way through the quest and not had a single green DA.

reason for DA is speculated that it caused lag with bunches of mobs on players heels as they zerged through a quest. funny thing is, Red DA causes lag with all the added effects like harried and numerous spells by enemy mobs and players, at least for me.

[elg582]

the only way to get DA in CC is the side cave with bats

Really? B/c I didn't do that, and got green DA after the first dirt patch I crossed after the first drop.

We must be playing different games.

[Qhualor]

Really? B/c I didn't do that, and got green DA after the first dirt patch I crossed after the first drop.

We must be playing different games.

so than you ran past the mobs up top.

[elg582]

so than you ran past the mobs up top.

Invis'd past; try again.

[Qhualor]

Invis'd past; try again.

/sigh

on my way out there right now to see for myself.

[Qhualor]

nope, no DA. did you kill the mobs at the drop point to close the portal or try to invis past the mobs?

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Invis'd past; try again.

Bats have blind sense.

[Archangel666]

To get DA the way OP explained you have to be zerging. Sounds like WAI to me.

Incorrect.

I soloed Threnal a few days ago on Elite. When it came to Hold for Reinforcements I got yellow alerts several times and ended up with a red alert.

Kinda hard to zerg in a single room.

This was completely solo on a Monk. Not even a hireling in use to increase scaling.

Coal Chamber is somewhat different, I'll agree, but to me Threnal shows that either the dev's are completely clueless when it comes to coding mob spawns with regards DA, or they're doing it deliberately to use DA to artificially increase difficulty.

[Qhualor]

Incorrect.

I soloed Threnal a few days ago on Elite. When it came to Hold for Reinforcements I got yellow alerts several times and ended up with a red alert.

Kinda hard to zerg in a single room.

This was completely solo on a Monk. Not even a hireling in use to increase scaling.

Coal Chamber is somewhat different, I'll agree, but to me Threnal shows that either the dev's are completely clueless when it comes to coding mob spawns with regards DA, or they're doing it deliberately to use DA to artificially increase difficulty.

actually i am correct. OP was talking about Coal Chamber, not Threnal.