An Idea for Helping Barbarian Healing Problems

[Uska]

give them a good regeneration effect maybe. They're wildling, they are used to harsh enviroments and they endure more (DR/PRR/etc) but they also should recover faster IMO.

and some cold and fire resistance would fit too (helps with magic damage mitigation and it makes sense since you might come from a hot or cold desert)

Again I am 100% against giving barbs any healing and for giving damage resistance and reduction

[harry-pancreas]

Again I am 100% against giving barbs any healing and for giving damage resistance and reduction

problem is you can mitigate damage, but you will have to heal sooner or later. Or you will end up with invulnerable toons taking 0 damage. Or some strange splash making no sense (lore-wise).

In the current state of the game, regeneration almost makes sense, does not seem op and looks like it can make barbs viable again (for the current standars. If you get a healer, barbs are viable right now)

I'm all about party playing and such, but that ship has sailed a long long time ago.

edit: a player healer, not a hierling

[Uska]

problem is you can mitigate damage, but you will have to heal sooner or later. Or you will end up with invulnerable toons taking 0 damage. Or some strange splash making no sense (lore-wise).

In the current state of the game, regeneration almost makes sense, does not seem op and looks like it can make barbs viable again (for the current standars. If you get a healer, barbs are viable right now)

I'm all about party playing and such, but that ship has sailed a long long time ago.

edit: a player healer, not a hierling

Yah if I am party leader boyh doesn't include a hireling and I don't care if we are short a party member. I will say I never played a barb in epic I had my heart ready when my barb hit 20 but for heroic I didn't need anything beyond CSW pots as I never get silverflame pots.

I just don't see barbs as having healing but don't have a real dog in the fight just a opinion based on how I see the class. And yeah if I am on a cleric or fvs life I toss everyone a heal, kind of miss when it was a wide spread need I think the game was better when self-sufficiency wasn't so wide spread

[harry-pancreas]

Yah if I am party leader boyh doesn't include a hireling and I don't care if we are short a party member. I will say I never played a barb in epic I had my heart ready when my barb hit 20 but for heroic I didn't need anything beyond CSW pots as I never get silverflame pots.

I just don't see barbs as having healing but don't have a real dog in the fight just a opinion based on how I see the class. And yeah if I am on a cleric or fvs life I toss everyone a heal, kind of miss when it was a wide spread need I think the game was better when self-sufficiency wasn't so wide spread

i agree, barbs don't heal, but nor do wizards, sorcs, monks...

and by 20 there is cocoon for everyone (can't while raged, but you can actually build a self-healing barbarian)

IF the problem is epics and epics only, it should be in the capstone or the lvl 18 core.

[Silverleafeon]

Still reading, and still unable to comment due to NDA.
If one wants, you may comment in the Barbarian Project if one has any last minute suggestions.

[bennyson]

i agree, barbs don't heal, but nor do wizards, sorcs, monks...

Wizards can heal via Undead form, being of War/Bladeforged race or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Sorcerers can heal via War/Bladeforged race or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Monks can heal via Path of Light and/or Grandmaster and/or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Must I go on?

[harry-pancreas]

Wizards can heal via Undead form, being of War/Bladeforged race or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Sorcerers can heal via War/Bladeforged race or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Monks can heal via Path of Light and/or Grandmaster and/or Halfling with Mark of Healing.

Must I go on?

you got me wrong, or i did a misstake


i meant those classes should not self-heal, or they do not usually (i thought it was clear with the way the conversation was going)

[bennyson]

you got me wrong, or i did a misstake


i meant those classes should not self-heal, or they do not usually (i thought it was clear with the way the conversation was going)

You mean "I meant those classes could self-heal or usually don't"?

The choice of "self-healing" is primarily up to The Player.

However, both of these classes were capable of self-healing for a long time as far back as I can remember, I don't even know why you brought this up with Uska. Besides, he always takes the negative side of things for absolutely no reason as far I can remember.

And hates everything that isn't "core" and still thinks DDO is shackled to 3.5 when the game is clearly not (Epic Destines are part of later Editions).

[Qhualor]

Yah if I am party leader boyh doesn't include a hireling and I don't care if we are short a party member. I will say I never played a barb in epic I had my heart ready when my barb hit 20 but for heroic I didn't need anything beyond CSW pots as I never get silverflame pots.

I just don't see barbs as having healing but don't have a real dog in the fight just a opinion based on how I see the class. And yeah if I am on a cleric or fvs life I toss everyone a heal, kind of miss when it was a wide spread need I think the game was better when self-sufficiency wasn't so wide spread

CSW in heroics is usually plenty for most quests, but you start getting into the heavy hitting Amrath elite or House C elite than you will want something like SF pots. combining character defense, teamwork and tactics than CSW in heroics in tough quests or those sticky moments in certain quests are normally fine.

I wasn't aware that you have never played a barbarian in epics before. I know you are strictly against barbs being able to have reliable self healing because "that's the way it is in PnP", but I can assure you that CSW pots is not anywhere enough above EN. SF pots are fine, but due to high saves needed in epics and high hp mobs, the penalty is just too much. you have to stand there and take it like a good barbarian or die because you cant run fast enough while chugging those pots trying to stay alive with the run speed penalty. if you notice barbs in epics, they are Ravager or more likely Occult Slayer. if its a mixed build, chances are its that abomination barb build with FVS levels just for the reliable self healing. ive noticed a lot of them don't utilize rage either outside of boss fights.

the game has certainly changed to "be self sufficient". like it or not, we have to embrace that because I don't see the devs suddenly changing course and bringing back "the old days". for a barbarian to survive in epics, they need a reliable source of self healing. the devs don't need to go completely out in left field and create an easy button by allowing spell casting while raged. all they need to do is either develop potions without penalty that heal similarly to SF pots or implement the equivalent to what you get from SF pots in the enhancements. thematically, barbs can still rely on potions for healing. one of the biggest reasons why people don't play barbs is because of self healing and if that gets addressed reasonably than it could bring back the barbarian in groups again.

[Ungood]

NEW Heroic Class Barbarian Feat: auto-granted at level 10 Barbarian

Restless Spirit:
Spend a Restless Charge to immediately heal yourself for 1d6 points of positive energy per level of Barbarian and for the next 12 seconds, you heal 1d2 points of positive energy per character level. Anything that grants you extra Barbarian Rage will also affect this ability.

I like the idea of barb self healing. I like the Death Frenzy idea as Well.

I would rather see as opposed to a one click healing like ability, I would rather see a combat geared one, like a healing cleave, call it "Blood Drinker", have it be part of the PRE that has the Barb Weapon Bond Ability, and it's a Cleave Attack that only triggers once the Barb is Below 50% of their life, when they hit something, they get healed for 1/2 the damage they inflict in that cleave. Cool Down 10 Seconds, once the character goes over 50% HP, it's no longer active.

[Uska]

CSW in heroics is usually plenty for most quests, but you start getting into the heavy hitting Amrath elite or House C elite than you will want something like SF pots. combining character defense, teamwork and tactics than CSW in heroics in tough quests or those sticky moments in certain quests are normally fine.

I wasn't aware that you have never played a barbarian in epics before. I know you are strictly against barbs being able to have reliable self healing because "that's the way it is in PnP", but I can assure you that CSW pots is not anywhere enough above EN. SF pots are fine, but due to high saves needed in epics and high hp mobs, the penalty is just too much. you have to stand there and take it like a good barbarian or die because you cant run fast enough while chugging those pots trying to stay alive with the run speed penalty. if you notice barbs in epics, they are Ravager or more likely Occult Slayer. if its a mixed build, chances are its that abomination barb build with FVS levels just for the reliable self healing. ive noticed a lot of them don't utilize rage either outside of boss fights.

the game has certainly changed to "be self sufficient". like it or not, we have to embrace that because I don't see the devs suddenly changing course and bringing back "the old days". for a barbarian to survive in epics, they need a reliable source of self healing. the devs don't need to go completely out in left field and create an easy button by allowing spell casting while raged. all they need to do is either develop potions without penalty that heal similarly to SF pots or implement the equivalent to what you get from SF pots in the enhancements. thematically, barbs can still rely on potions for healing. one of the biggest reasons why people don't play barbs is because of self healing and if that gets addressed reasonably than it could bring back the barbarian in groups again.

I don't care what they really do,in epic as I don't really enjoy it I just do it enough to earn a heart but I don't want them adding healing to barbs for heroic and if nobody plays the class well I won't miss seeing it in groups anyways

[Uska]

You mean "I meant those classes could self-heal or usually don't"?

The choice of "self-healing" is primarily up to The Player.

However, both of these classes were capable of self-healing for a long time as far back as I can remember, I don't even know why you brought this up with Uska. Besides, he always takes the negative side of things for absolutely no reason as far I can remember.

And hates everything that isn't "core" and still thinks DDO is shackled to 3.5 when the game is clearly not (Epic Destines are part of later Editions).

If you read more carefully I have said I really don't care about epic my objections are to adding it to heroic

[harry-pancreas]

You mean "I meant those classes could self-heal or usually don't"?

The choice of "self-healing" is primarily up to The Player.

However, both of these classes were capable of self-healing for a long time as far back as I can remember, I don't even know why you brought this up with Uska. Besides, he always takes the negative side of things for absolutely no reason as far I can remember.

And hates everything that isn't "core" and still thinks DDO is shackled to 3.5 when the game is clearly not (Epic Destines are part of later Editions).

yeah i meant, from an RPG perspective, ussually you can know what people will do because of their class (i.e cleric heals, sorc nukes, etc)

but in DDO you can't anymore, any combination can be built for any kind of role (tank, DPS, heal, archer, etc)

not complaining, but it's true

i don't care what you think about uska, i see ideas here. When they're good i support, when they're bad i throw my opinion


maybe you don't know why i brought this up because i was talking with him, just saying...i was advocating for barbs with some kind of self-healing or (a good) regen effect because everyone can sel heal now except barbs...we probably are in the same boat

[Ungood]

i was advocating for barbs with some kind of self-healing or (a good) regen effect because everyone can sel heal now except barbs...we probably are in the same boat

You could always just splash some Cleric or Druid, I ran a 9/2/9 Barb/Rogue/Cleric, and it was a total blast, solid self healing, decent buffs, solid damage, trapping, evasion, really a solid all around leveling build, maybe not the most myopic best DPS in the game, but right now, the best DPS is ranged not raged anyway.

[bennyson]

If you read more carefully I have said I really don't care about epic my objections are to adding it to heroic

The intent of my idea is helping Barbarians in Epic and Heroic. Not just one or the other.

Although I guess with the current changes to PRR and MRR, Barbarians can survive a lot better.

[Uska]

The intent of my idea is helping Barbarians in Epic and Heroic. Not just one or the other.

Although I guess with the current changes to PRR and MRR, Barbarians can survive a lot better.

I don't think barbs need any help in heroic that part of the game doesn't need to be made easier than it already is

[harry-pancreas]

You could always just splash some Cleric or Druid, I ran a 9/2/9 Barb/Rogue/Cleric, and it was a total blast, solid self healing, decent buffs, solid damage, trapping, evasion, really a solid all around leveling build, maybe not the most myopic best DPS in the game, but right now, the best DPS is ranged not raged anyway.

yeah but afaik you can't use them when you're raged ? TBH i never been a barbarian-type, so i dont know much. But i listened to people whining about that, and it's kinda fair. The only way to be not-subpar is to avoid using the most iconic ability

[Ungood]

yeah but afaik you can't use them when you're raged ? TBH i never been a barbarian-type, so i dont know much. But i listened to people whining about that, and it's kinda fair. The only way to be not-subpar is to avoid using the most iconic ability

Yah I ran that build before the Pass, back then I could aura with only 9 levels of cleric, not sure if I can do that today, but being able to go into a rage with an aura on.. we just sweeet killing time!