Fastest 6.6 million XP? Lots of Epic Reincarnations to go...

[Thalone]

If you've completed the chain once (and if you're running Mirror anything except the first time, you have), you can jump up on the roof north of the explorer entry and open the compound's south gate with the magic mouth. (The number of people who shard to the entrance even though I open the shortcut for them frightens me.) The run takes a minute or so; go up the roof ramp and make your way around north/west/south. So adding in the run from Eveningstar maybe two minutes in total?

[Wipey]

I am lazy so took some notes with best xp / min.

Spies 16.5 k / min
TBF 14.9 k min
Mirror 15.8 k min
Tobias 13.4 min
Army 11.9k
Thrill 10.5k min
Tracker 10.4 k min
WGU 9.7 k min
Friends 9.5k min
Break in Ice 7k min

Stormhorns are ~ 450k, Wheloon Prison is ~ 350k , both done in 2 - 2 and half hours. And you get some okay chain rewards sometimes.
Of course it's good idea to start working on elite sagas at level 27 or such. Rest of the time it's like Harbour zerg - invis what you can, skip opts, breakables, devious is usually much better / faster than killing.
Or EE at level but that can suck for some characters in off destinies.
Sadly, the fastest way to get xp is zerg/blitz high xp/min EH solo/duo unless you have first time or streak bonus.

[Powskier]

..after finishing so many past lives,wont you be bored as hell with this game by then? my best toon has 3 heroic/3 epic and content is so predictable now,it is BORING...same spawns ..exact same spots...gee how did this game make it so long?

[Angelic-council]

Von 3> Wizking> Spies> Repeat x50> Otto's Stone

You forgot Mirror and couple others ^-^

[EllisDee37]

If you've completed the chain once (and if you're running Mirror anything except the first time, you have), you can jump up on the roof north of the explorer entry and open the compound's south gate with the magic mouth. (The number of people who shard to the entrance even though I open the shortcut for them frightens me.) The run takes a minute or so; go up the roof ramp and make your way around north/west/south. So adding in the run from Eveningstar maybe two minutes in total?

Nice! I was totally ignorant of that, so thanks much!

[Thrudh]

I'm still looking at Epic Reincarnating 11 more times, and I want to know if anyone here has a 'path' they follow for the quickest XP, because, frankly, the experience tends to feel a bit drawn out.

I've done the basic stuff. I have a Greater Tome of Epic Learning and Voice of the Master. How can I get this XP ground out faster?

You've only eTRed ONCE, and it already feels a bit drawn out?

You really think you're going to enjoy the game more if you grind through 11 more eTRs, repeating the same high xp/min quests over and over and over?

What happens when you finally get that extra twist slot... THEN you'll play for fun?

[Chilldude]

It's called progression, and unfortunately this ridiculous XP grind is the best Turbine could come up with. Of course it would be great if one could simply enjoy oneself and play the game while progressing. The problem is that the mathematical wizard who determined the XP milestones required to progress either felt it should take the rest of your natural life to reach epic completionist, or they were motivated to compel the player base into buying XP boosting elixirs and stones.

If you peruse Quests by level and XP you will find that the vast majority of epic quests award less than 25K XP. If one were merely playing solely for the enjoyment of playing, hosting groups, and running the quests as they were meant to be run, exploring all optionals and such, then I think anyone would agree that the quests would easily take 15-20 minutes on average.

Given that the average XP an epic quest awards is ~20K, the amount of XP/min a group of players running the quests in a fashion similar to how they were designed to run would be: 20K XP / 20min = 1K XP/min, or about 60K XP/hour.

At this rate it would take 110 hours to progress from level 20-28. 1320 hours to do it 12 times. Yet if you do it 12 times you might as well do it 14 times because surely in one of the spheres there's something you'd want to stack 3 times, so that'd be 1540 hours total.

If a player plays 2-3 hours a night, 5 nights a week, that would average out to around 12 hours a week. Therefore it would take them 110 weeks to progress to epic completionist. Obviously that's over 2 years. There is a very real possibility DDO won't even be around 2 years, or that the player in question might no longer want to play a game they've played 2-3 hours a night, 5 nights a week, for over 2 years with little progress to show for it.

To chop away at those two years one could either play more or play faster. 10K XP/min is about what you're looking at if you go exceedingly fast. Sometimes less, sometimes more, but there's a lot of running around outside of quests to do as well, so let's just say 10K XP/min. That's 600K XP/hour, meaning you can reach 28 in 11 hours. So 2-3 hours a day, 5 days a week would get you to cap in a week's time.

Then you are looking at 11 more weeks, really 13 because as I've said before, there's at least one sphere you're going to want to stack 3 times. 13 weeks is not only still over 3 months, but it's a very long 3 months of running wide open 2-3 hours a night, 5 nights a week.

So if you plan to play DDO for the next 2 years you can spend the next 3 months zerging out Epic Completionist and then spend the remaining 21 months playing the game with the extra twist slot and all the flexibility it provides, or you can saunter your way through and there's a slight possibility you might get it before you quit.

To each their own. Hate the game, not the playa.

[Eth]

Spies 16.5 k / min
TBF 14.9 k min
Mirror 15.8 k min
Tobias 13.4 min
Army 11.9k
Thrill 10.5k min
Tracker 10.4 k min
WGU 9.7 k min
Friends 9.5k min
Break in Ice 7k min

This is a good list. Wheelon and Stormhorns have really high XP now.

If you run in competent groups I'd also add VoN5, Wiz King and Thorn and Paw to that list.

[Makkuroi]

What I do when Im on xp tour and high enough level: (11 epls atm, one more to go, maybe two.. last one with 20% epic xp took me like 4-5 days i think, but i had sagas prepped and xp weekend)

von3
wizking(x2 sometimes)-OoB
spies
mirror
break-WGU.
Von5 if im off timer.

rusted blades etc I usually dont run except for sagas since the way there costs too much time. Spies, von3 and dont drink the water are nice since theyre very close to teleport locations, and break in the ice isnt that great on its own but its just on the way to WGU so a nice opportunity to grab another 40-50k. Same goes for OoB, when Im in sands anyway for wizking OoB isnt too far off. I try to keep daily bonus.

When opening an lfm, i start with von3 or spies so i have enough people when wizking starts.

Lords of dust isnt too bad xp either, gianthold tor is ok, and i run sagas, too, but dislike belly of the beast.

[Spoonwelder]

I am going to throw Old Tomb, New Tenants on my regular farm list.....I have gotten it down to under 6min for ~40k on eH - devious - one kill. Works on my bard since I can fascinate - on my cetus style build it was just over 6min and I just killed my way to the end but didn't stop so no devious - on my DC Wizzie it was 8min but I effed up and hit my death aura so I kept getting agro. No optionals done in any case. (farming for that darn buckler).

I am pretty sure you could slip in Legend of Two Toed Tobias for another quick hit of XP to share the load on the overhead of getting out to 3BC.

I didn't count the time to run in the explorer since I usually get two or three rares in a quick sweep of the explorer looking for chests/loot drops - although not good xp/min it reduces the overhead and if you really want to you can teleport to the entrance.

[Vargouille]

The Devs said somewhere the Epic XP necessary to reach level 30 will still be 6,6kk and they'll just adjust the curve. Of course, you can't trust the Devs but this might give you some peace of mind.

I heard that when the cap increases to lvl 30 the experience needed for each level was going to be scaled down so that 20-to-cap still only takes 6.6m xp. No need to rush.

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

[Grailhawk]

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

Thanks, I'm glad a dev has finally comment on this, that rumor was really starting to take off.

[SillyWallaby]

If you've completed the chain once (and if you're running Mirror anything except the first time, you have), you can jump up on the roof north of the explorer entry and open the compound's south gate with the magic mouth. (The number of people who shard to the entrance even though I open the shortcut for them frightens me.) The run takes a minute or so; go up the roof ramp and make your way around north/west/south. So adding in the run from Eveningstar maybe two minutes in total?

Nice! I was totally ignorant of that, so thanks much!

I think you can get that gate open after you've completed Thrill of the Hunt

If you didn't know, you can also talk to the NPC, Darovic Cholney the Oldstonehall Liason, in Wheloon and just port right to the courtyard in front of Mirror after you've completed it once. (The NPC on the bench covered by the map is the harvest hall liason, they take you to the gated area you exit into from Friends in low places. You can port there after completing Friends, and it might be a slightly faster way to Lesson in Deception)

[Silverleafeon]

The Devs said somewhere the Epic XP necessary to reach level 30 will still be 6,6kk and they'll just adjust the curve. Of course, you can't trust the Devs but this might give you some peace of mind.

Not true.

At the time of the heroic xp curve adjustment they said something to the effect of

We are not going to adjust the epic xp curve at this time. However when the level cap goes to 30, we might consider adjusting the epic xp curve.

Currently the Devs promise to not promise anything.
Given that paradox, expect anything.


You may thank the Player's Council for pushing the Level Cap away from the present and into the future.
We have put pressure on the Devs to consider the enormous impact of 9.750,000 million xp.
Since the increase in level cap has been put off, so the epic xp curve possible rebalancing discussion have been put off.

So, nothing here at all, no promises, no expectations, its all tomorrow's decisions and perhaps the 2015 Player's Council will have to deal with that. If you are concerned, put your name in the hat next January....

[Silverleafeon]

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

There it is in Black and White, folks, nijiaed by the great lurker Varg.

[Seikojin]

My biggest worry is I don't get it done before the cap is increased to 30. :/

LOL, I am not too concerned about that. Doing heroic lives between epics is a great grind killer.

...snip...

The Devs said somewhere the Epic XP necessary to reach level 30 will still be 6,6kk and they'll just adjust the curve. Of course, you can't trust the Devs but this might give you some peace of mind.

Also, what's the point of running the highest level content in the game if you're just grinding XP.... at least make it look like "Epic".

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

Citation obviously needed if a dev is all don't believe the hype! LOL

I think the biggest concern that would push for recurving epic exp is karma. Because now you are essentially saying with lvl 30, you potentially need more karma, or less than level cap to get the karma capped, but still have levels in epic before you can epic reincarnate. Buggy ground for sure.

Recurving would make people a little happier since it would mean for the 6.6 mill exp/karma, you get 2 more levels, a feat or two, and a stat point.

However I can hear the easy mode outcry as well.

[patang01]

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

As a Dev you can officially put that to rest, just sayin'. I hope that 6.6 will still be the target, because the ramp up from 25 to 28 is brutal. And with only terrible content like Harper quests and Shadowfell It's like dragging your knees across broken glass. Also - figure out a way to reset slayer and such with each ER - it helps lowering the mindnumbing grind. With keeping the flagging; call it a small bonus for suffering the off destiny braincrusher.

[Krelar]

I think the biggest concern that would push for recurving epic exp is karma. Because now you are essentially saying with lvl 30, you potentially need more karma, or less than level cap to get the karma capped, but still have levels in epic before you can epic reincarnate. Buggy ground for sure.

That's not really anything new. It only takes 6 million karma right now. So you already have to earn another 600K xp after karma cap before you can ER.

[poltt48]

There are no overlevel penalties for epic quests. Meaning a level 27 still gets full xp from running a level 20 quest on EN. With that in mind, here's a (partial) list of high xp/minute epic quests, factoring in the time it takes to run to them given the ability to teleport, greater teleport, and key to eveningstar:

Very Good (>5k/minute)
Spies in the House
VON3
WizKing
Impossible Demands
Rusted Blades

Good (>4k/minute)
An Offering of Blood
Fathom the Depths
Death Undone (may need to drag along the level 23 or 24 rogue hire to hit the 80 open lock)
Trial By Fury
Trial By Fire
Tor
Outbreak
Druid's Curse

Acceptable (>3k/minute)
Thorn and Paw
Overgrowth
Claw of Vulkoor
Big Top
Unquiet Graves
Lords of Dust
Deal and the Demon
Closing the Rift
Don't Drink the Water

I believe Through a Mirror Darkly ends up in the "good" category, but I haven't been including it in my xp farming. (Which is thankfully done for the time being.) Some quests feel like they might be good, but after running a few time trials I found them to be <3k/minute and so discarded them. (Most were in the 2500-2800/minute range.)

Poor
Bargain of Blood (long run out to it, very low xp)
Snitch (it's fun enough to include in a circuit, but it actually takes longer than it feels)


Over the past weekend, with the epic xp bonus days, I buckled down and farmed out 4 million xp to finish off my main's last martial past life. It ended up being five circuits, all between 40-55 minutes long, to maximize my old-style ship buffs. (Namely the 5% xp shrine.) Other than the ones listed above, the Gianthold and High Road quests were barely good enough to include.

Circuit 1
---------
 - Trial By Fire (second teleporter option from NPC)
    - GT back to Gianthold
 - Cry for Help (first teleporter option from NPC)
    - GT back to Gianthold
 - Cabal for One (super low xp/minute; switching to Feast or Famine might be better)
    - GT back to Gianthold
 - Tor
 
Circuit 2
---------
 - Key to Eveningstar, acquire all quests in this circuit before starting if needed
 - Rest Stop
 - A Stay at the Inn
 - Lost in the Swamp
 - Impossible Demands
 - Unquiet Graves
   - Acquire MotU quests for circuit 4 (rusted/death/trial/deal/reclaiming)

Circuit 3
---------
 - VON3
   - Key to Eveningstar, sell/repair at bar
   - Acquire Oubreak & Overgrowth if needed
 - Outbreak
 - Overgrowth
   - Sell/repair
 - Thorn and Paw
 - Druid's Curse
   - Collect 3 cleric comms (unbound DW pots)
   - Re-acquire chain, outbreak and overgrowth

Circuit 4
---------
 - Lords of Dust
 - Rusted Blades
   - Recall once
 - Death Undone
   - Recall twice, enter demonweb
 - Trial By Fury
 - Deal and the Demon
 - Reclaiming the Rift
   - Key to Eveningstar
 - Don't Drink the Water
   - Collect rewards and re-acquire all quests in this circuit

Circuit 5
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 - Offering of Blood
   - GT back to zawabi, re-acquire, teleport to House P
 - Big Top
   - Gate 1: Straight (Blue = Yellow X)
   - Gate 2: Left (Green = White Triangle) Right (Yellow = Red Diamond)
   - Gate 3: Right (Orange = Green Circle) Left (Purple = Yellow Square)
   - Re-acquire, house teleporter to Kundarak, sell/repair in Fens
 - Fathom the Depths
 - Claw of Vulkoor
   - Teleport to Deneith
 - Spies in the House

With my 5% cannith pots, master's gift, 5% ship buff and bonus weekend, this generated a little over a million xp a day.

If I ran EE and wasn't soloing, I would probably focus on True Elite sagas instead of blasting through for fast completions.

EDIT: Running 26 different quests each day definitely solves the "too repetitive" problem of xp farming, but fair warning that blasting through all five circuits each day gets very grindy very fast. After four days I was super stoked to be finished.

Your missing some really good xp quests on here. Cry for help gives >5k per min. Haunted halls extended is >5k per min. Madstone run on EN with full group having people run to each sage at once can be 3-4k per min. Any of the E3bc is about 3-4k per min. If you know the shortcuts in 3 demonweb quests can knock all 3 out in less then 30 min for >5k per min each. Don't see why your saying demon web is bad though guess you don't know the shortcuts on them. You can skip 90% of first 2 quests and third is just kill few waves.

[Impaqt]

Only briefly commenting because I've seen this repeated multiple times as if it were Truth, and accepted as such:

Trusting rumors is a bad idea.

(I'm not trying to indicate or promise anything, except that trusting rumors is unwise.)

What exactly is the point of being vague here?

what would it hurt to just say

"Yes, we are indeed going to adjust the XP curve so 6.6mil will be what is needed to cap."
or
"This isnt quite right. We are going to adjust the curve but it will still end up a bit more than 6.6mil to cap"
or
"The curve is set and will continue in its current trajectory, you will need 4 Million more XP to cap to 30"

The unnecessary games you devs play are quite frustrating sometimes.