KOTC Nerfs - Really?

[Coldin]

I don't understand the reasoning behind these. A reduction of 1d6 light damage, and reduced Melee Power from a T4 enhancement. Paladins were not even close to performing well in Live, and at best these changes were just making them competitive with other top of the line build. If we're looking at those Cetus videos, the high performance was more from using a combination of buffs and decent gear than anything unique to the paladin. In fact, the only "Paladin" specific part of the build was that Holy Sword could be used with Falchions.

Not to mention that every single reduction in Melee Power has also been a nerf to KOTC's light damage, the biggest scaling ability tied to Melee Power with it's introduction. So I'd really like to hear an explanation of why these nerfs were merited that doesn't involve referencing a video of someone that already overperforms with a variety of melee builds.

[LordTigerDawn]

I don't understand the reasoning behind these. A reduction of 1d6 light damage, and reduced Melee Power from a T4 enhancement. Paladins were not even close to performing well in Live, and at best these changes were just making them competitive with other top of the line build. If we're looking at those Cetus videos, the high performance was more from using a combination of buffs and decent gear than anything unique to the paladin. In fact, the only "Paladin" specific part of the build was that Holy Sword could be used with Falchions.

Not to mention that every single reduction in Melee Power has also been a nerf to KOTC's light damage, the biggest scaling ability tied to Melee Power with it's introduction. So I'd really like to hear an explanation of why these nerfs were merited that doesn't involve referencing a video of someone that already overperforms with a variety of melee builds.

Still a hundred times better than they were, so no complaints from me.

[HastyPudding]

Paladins have a trade-off of dps for survivability. A paladin is not a barbarian in heavy armor with self-healing. Stop trying to make it into one.

[Coldin]

Paladins have a trade-off of dps for survivability. A paladin is not a barbarian in heavy armor with self-healing. Stop trying to make it into one.

And when Barbarians get their updates, they will shoot right by Paladins in DPS. The fact of the matter here is that Paladins aren't dishing out that much more DPS even with the changes. The bulk of it comes from having access to a crit enhancing spell that is just slightly better in certain circumstances than other similar enhancements.

[Seikojin]

Paladins have a trade-off of dps for survivability. A paladin is not a barbarian in heavy armor with self-healing. Stop trying to make it into one.

This.

And when Barbarians get their updates, they will shoot right by Paladins in DPS. The fact of the matter here is that Paladins aren't dishing out that much more DPS even with the changes. The bulk of it comes from having access to a crit enhancing spell that is just slightly better in certain circumstances than other similar enhancements.

And you can't make those levels of assumption until it is up for test. Clearly Paladins got a lot stronger in U23, but people will make bards after U23 is out. Same with Barbs. No one wants complete imbalance, so as it stands Pally gets tweaked until it fits right and then is released to the wild.

[Bridge_Dweller]

Pallies are still ridiculous even with this change. Nerf Holy Sword please and give us a reason to actually play a fighter.

[goblean]

Paladins have a trade-off of dps for survivability. A paladin is not a barbarian in heavy armor with self-healing. Stop trying to make it into one.

Sorry, what extra survivability do they have? As described the videos showed very little of a Paladin being OP. If you watch the videos he is surviving on BF healing and UMD buffs. None of this is a direct result of being a pure pally, but more to do with play style and build. Now, if the video showed his massive pally AC and PRR saving the day, and LoHs pulling him out of that close shave where his massive pally defenses failed you might have something with your trade-off comment.

[DagazUlf]

Paladins have a trade-off of dps for survivability. A paladin is not a barbarian in heavy armor with self-healing. Stop trying to make it into one.

This assumption might be based off of either A) PnP Paladins, or B) some theory-crafting on DDO paladins. Or maybe even something else entirely?

Regardless, this is not what is going on in actual play of DDO (Live or Lammy).

[SilkofDrasnia]

While I agree with all with what you guys are saying I have to say it will be all so much dust in the wind, Turbine has this nasty nasty habit of listening to a very very small handful that "overperform" like you say and have more ability than 90% of the masses.

[Lonnbeimnech]

While I agree with all with what you guys are saying I have to say it will be all so much dust in the wind, Turbine has this nasty nasty habit of listening to a very very small handful that "overperform" like you say and have more ability than 90% of the masses.

Just make note, then when their class gets it's turn for updating, just call for every nerf you can think of.

[DagazUlf]

While I agree with all with what you guys are saying I have to say it will be all so much dust in the wind, Turbine has this nasty nasty habit of listening to a very very small handful that "overperform" like you say and have more ability than 90% of the masses.

Truth.

[Thar]

Still a hundred times better than they were, so no complaints from me.

but the rest of the pack is 100 times better with just melee power and prr changes so pally's are still behind.