Videos of Mater's Blitz Round Two - Pure Paladin

[Seikojin]

Whats wrong with twitching? This is just a word thrown around to describe dynamic combat

Yeah, I think people forgot what real twitch was:
http://youtu.be/vT80SAYQWSo

I see your combat as combat, nothing too twitch about it. Anyone who has held a great sword in plate knows you don't just stand there like a training dummy swinging your stick around.

[Seikojin]

Nothing is wrong with it although it's arguably a game bug. It allows people that know about it to get bonus damage that is unavailable to the majority of players that don't know about it.

Wrong? no, but since people are complaining about the game being too easy it makes sense to start with things that add to player power that most players don't even know about

1) exploits
2) favorable game bugs
3) twitching

I don't know if the devs can even do anything about it so it doesn't matter what the players think - it may not even matter what the devs think if the effort is to great.

However, perhaps a video to explain how to do it would be useful to the community so everyone understands how to do it if they wish to do it.

Just in the small amount of testing I did it make a difference and likely haven't optimized it since I primarily play casters. Although I plan to play a melee when U23 is out and will of course use twitching.

For most of what Cetus is doing is to mitigate incoming damage, not increase dps.

Then in moments where sidestepping is used to interrupt the animation, to make more chops instead of slashes; he is foregoing glancing blows for singular target dps.

[Hamlin]

I'm playing DDO totally wrong. I've never, not with any weapon, fighting style, spell, ability, whatever done anywhere close to that much damage to a mob.

Maybe that's part of the challenge the devs are facing. They're trying to make Cetus AND me happy. Due to the gross disparity in damage output, I can see how that'd be hard to do.

[Cetus]

Yeah, I think people forgot what real twitch was:
http://youtu.be/vT80SAYQWSo

I see your combat as combat, nothing too twitch about it. Anyone who has held a great sword in plate knows you don't just stand there like a training dummy swinging your stick around.

I don't think anyone forgot - that's pretty much what most moderately skilled melees do

I don't see a problem with playing a character more skillfully - if you can master twitching then have at it

Enough with trying to normalize every aspect of this game - this will turn into a game of checkers in no time.

[Zoda]

One of the biggest differences between power and average player knowledge for a melee is twitching. If the game is too easy this would be one thing to remove from the game if it's even possible. I can see this being done in the video and while I have no issues with it, if the people using it are complaining about player power that is one thing to bridge the gap.

I never imagined that one day I will be able to read a post like this. It was eye opening. The biggest difference berween power gamers and casuals is skill, I'll write that down so I won't forget. This certainly needs to be changed, it's completely unfair that players who took the time to practice to become better actually succseeded. So wrong.

lmao

[slarden]

I never imagined that one day I will be able to read a post like this. It was eye opening. The biggest difference berween power gamers and casuals is skill, I'll write that down so I won't forget. This certainly needs to be changed, it's completely unfair that players who took the time to practice to become better actually succseeded. So wrong.

lmao

Then please re-read I said player knowledge and nothing about skill. The fact is most players don't know about twitching - I was just giving that as an example. As I said there is nothing wrong with it, but it's just one of many differences in the knowledge gap.

[B0ltdrag0n]

Whats wrong with twitching? This is just a word thrown around to describe dynamic combat

No it isn't and you know that judging from previous conversations.

[jalont]

Twitching has been around for years, the devs know about it, and the devs have "fixed" some instances of it in the past. It obviously isn't exploiting anything to use it.

That said, as Monkey Archer's videos show, even without twitch "skill", these changes are way overpowered.

[B0ltdrag0n]

Twitching has been around for years, the devs know about it, and the devs have "fixed" some instances of it in the past. It obviously isn't exploiting anything to use it.

That said, as Monkey Archer's videos show, even without twitch "skill", these changes are way overpowered.

They don't but it is a nice story.

[Cetus]

No it isn't and you know that judging from previous conversations.

The "No it isn't" part of the quotes statement is according to YOU.

Twitching involves movement while attacking - so not twitching is auto-attacking. If I can move in a certain way where I can land a hit a bit sooner - well then more power to me for doing a little extra to get a little extra.

Actively fighting should always be more efficient than auto attacking.

[B0ltdrag0n]

The "No it isn't" part of the quotes statement is according to YOU.

Twitching involves movement while attacking - so not twitching is auto-attacking. If I can move in a certain way where I can land a hit a bit sooner - well then more power to me for doing a little extra to get a little extra.

Actively fighting should always be more efficient than auto attacking.

and 'this is a word thrown a around to describe dynamic combat' part is YOUR opinion not the facts. Twitching is more than moving.

If you can move in a certain way to interrupt attack chains that are programmed at a specific speed to get faster swings...It is more than just moving and attack which is active combat.

We all move and attack.

And for the record I still find it a bit much without further feat investment, but I have accepted that it is coming back as those in control have deemed it so.

[TheLegendOfAra]

Nothing is wrong with it although it's arguably a game bug. It allows people that know about it to get bonus damage that is unavailable to the majority of players that don't know about it.

However, perhaps a video to explain how to do it would be useful to the community so everyone understands how to do it if they wish to do it.

Just in the small amount of testing I did it make a difference and likely haven't optimized it since I primarily play casters. Although I plan to play a melee when U23 is out and will of course use twitching.

You know how I learned about twitching? By playing with good players and observing what they did, and how they played. I learned from watching and trying to emulate what I saw more talented people doing so that I could better myself. I even asked a few questions.

It's not like twitch fighting is some great secret of the elitists, or some exploit on the hush hush they're not telling anyone about. It's just the natural progression of player skill. You observe your betters, try to emulate/learn from them in order to better yourself. Hell, I'm sure plenty of noobs have stumbled upon twitching purely on their own. That's the kind of thing that happens when you play the game.

[Rull]

WGU solo

Doesn't your stunning DC suck compared to a 12 fighter + Divine Might splash?

I can imagine fighters with +3 in tree and both +8 STR and +6 STR now being quite a lot better at that than paladins with just the +6 STR. What am I missing?

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Yea, not sure what was going on there - with an 80 strength I still have a 76 DC.

Either extremely unlucky set of rolls or mobs saves got boosted

probably karma.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Doesn't your stunning DC suck compared to a 12 fighter + Divine Might splash?

I can imagine fighters with +3 in tree and both +8 STR and +6 STR now being quite a lot better at that than paladins with just the +6 STR. What am I missing?

if his str is 82 as monksei (on live) and 80 as pure pally (on lama), and he only takes +1 tactics from kensei, then hes short by 2. new boots of the innocent brings it back up to 76, but he would probably be able to get better tactics by staying with fighter, by a lot (obviously).

[Cetus]

probably karma.

Huh

Karma?

[MacRighteous]

Ok - then if twitching isn't an exploit that the elites are keeping hush hush - AND if its just a matter of educating players that never heard of it - then explain right here what it is and how it is done.

[Thayion516]

Ok - then if twitching isn't an exploit that the elites are keeping hush hush - AND if its just a matter of educating players that never heard of it - then explain right here what it is and how it is done.

What is twitching?? I think I am misunderstanding this term.

[MacRighteous]

Twitching - twitch fighting - whatever. You understood the friggen request and the trolling does nothing to legitimize the claims that TWITCH FIGHTING isnt an exploit or a hush hush elite fight club secret.

[Thayion516]

What is twitching?? I think I am misunderstanding this term.

I'm being serious... isn't it just moving and trying to flank your opponent? But I don't see how that makes more damage. Hence the misunderstanding.