Harper tree feedback

[traderstan]

can someone enlighten me on how this will benefit Assassins? my current build spends at least 30AP just to acquire assassinate and at least 20AP to make me less squishy and more capable of not just being a one-hit wonder (read, disables + UMD etc).

so, I have to give up some APs to acquire INT to damage and other nice stuff available in this enhancement? maybe someone could direct me to a AP management seminar.

[Rull]

can someone enlighten me on how this will benefit Assassins? my current build spends at least 30AP just to acquire assassinate and at least 20AP to make me less squishy and more capable of not just being a one-hit wonder (read, disables + UMD etc).

so, I have to give up some APs to acquire INT to damage and other nice stuff available in this enhancement? maybe someone could direct me to a AP management seminar.

With an int of 66, if you spent 7 points you get +14 damage on both you main and your offhand.
14 unconditional base damage, that does multiply with crits and melee power.

If you reset all your trees, put in those 7 points and just not spent the other 73 you're probably still better off. Sigh.

[Blase]

can someone enlighten me on how this will benefit Assassins? my current build spends at least 30AP just to acquire assassinate and at least 20AP to make me less squishy and more capable of not just being a one-hit wonder (read, disables + UMD etc).

so, I have to give up some APs to acquire INT to damage and other nice stuff available in this enhancement? maybe someone could direct me to a AP management seminar.

Help my math - 30 (no argument here, gotta have assassinate), + 20 (again, no arguement here) = 50. That should leave you 30 AP to frolic about with. you only need to spend 11ap to get Int to hit, Int to damage and 1/2 Int bonus via Know the Angles.

That should leave 19 more ap to do whatever have you with. Maybe spend 11 more in assassinate for the capstone? then 8 more in race for funsies?

I fail to see where 11 ap to get the stat that increases your skills / assassinate dc to apply itself to your to hit, and your damage (1.5x in point of fact) is some sort of deal breaker.

Or to put it another way - what do you get for 11 ap that is better than +int mod to hit, and +1.5 int mod to damage?

[Havader]

Playing around with it on Lamania was nice, although man the cost in points. Any devs looking into doing an ap tome similar to the fate point tome? I know they don't really want to give us a whole lot of points as you should have to choose between what you want more and it encourages build diversity which is what so many love about this game. Would still kill for a few extra points though, in fact where is that epic abbot? Maybe he will drop one if I take him out eh?

[Angelic-council]

Wow.. interesting. Are there going to be more trees later? Maybe next year?

[Janitorman]

Does anyone know if the vigor of life enhancements from this tree stack with the vigor of life enhancements from knight of the chalice? Sorry if this has already been asked/answered, late to the discussion.

[Singular]

Unfortunately you need to spend a lot of points in both arti trees to be a good viable pure arti and there won't be many points over for this. So it's either strong in main abilities, or meh in a lot of them.

I disagree. Arcanotechnician is nearly useless for pure xbow arties who run EE. The dog lasts about 8 seconds in combat, none of the SLAs are useful in EE content, and the bonus to crit is only 4% if you max it while having your primary tree in BE. The only bit I'll miss from AT is Palliative Admixture and Scroll Mastery. Well, I will likely take Scroll Mastery anyways.

[Singular]

~ When we were playing with the tree with extra Charisma in the higher up parts of the tree it gave too much Charisma to Bard builds who just got a big boost in that department, and played a little too well with Paladin. We needed to cut out some Charisma.

~ Versatile Adept is probably too good and should probably be 1/2/3 instead of 2/4/6. That's my bad, as I wrote up the tree early in the Melee Power cycle and didn't adjust. We will be looking for player feedback on these specific enhancements.

~ Yes, Strength does stack higher than other attributes because of, in part, Tenser's and Rage. Strength as a stat is also gives no additional build benefit outside of damage and some tactical DCs. While we did want to give an alternate to Divine Might for other attributes, I doubt we'd want to mimic every Strength boost in the game for all other stats because that would risk making Strength builds obsolete.

Sev~

The arties kind of need the 2/4/6 bit for ranged. Is it possible to keep that for ranged, while just making melee power 1/2/3?

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Love the theme. Like the fact that it does bolster some classes and encourages build variety.

I don't believe it will be game breaking or crucial to FotM builds but it has GREAT potential.

I am F2P and own most content (missing Catacombs, Restless Isles, Sharn Syndicate).

I feel it can fill several niches and would be worth spending TP on.

However, HELLO Wisdom Based Race, Wisdom to hit/damage Enhancements...Kalashtar, Gith, Aasimar Psionics? Anyone? Anyone?

[Satyriasys]

Unfortunately this game has turned into Monks & Dragons. Pretty much any build possible is greatly improved with a Monk splash, archers, melees and casters. At least DC Wizards had a reason to stay pure, well that is no longer the case with this Harper Tree DISASTER. Pale Masters will now be amongst the most powerful melees while maintaining their casting power. Between this ridiculous change and the rampant cheating, it is a very sad day for this game.

[Oxarhamar]

The arties kind of need the 2/4/6 bit for ranged. Is it possible to keep that for ranged, while just making melee power 1/2/3?

We will just have to wait for Atificer pass I guess

I'll just keep multiclassing oh well.

[Scrabbler]

Unfortunately this game has turned into Monks & Dragons.

Make a Dragon Monk! Bing!

[Synthetic]

The arties kind of need the 2/4/6 bit for ranged. Is it possible to keep that for ranged, while just making melee power 1/2/3?

Considering artificers have strong synergy with intelligence and the tree allows intelligence to damage plus half it doesn't really make sense they need ranged power more then other ranged builds.

[Oxarhamar]

Considering artificers have strong synergy with intelligence and the tree allows intelligence to damage plus half it doesn't really make sense they need ranged power more then other ranged builds.

I'd have to disagee measured 1 to 1 against other ranged builds Artificer probably falls behind

10kstars Manyshot

Harper will be a buff for Arti but, it won't level the field by any means

[Synthetic]

I'd have to disagee measured 1 to 1 against other ranged builds Artificer probably falls behind

10kstars Manyshot

Harper will be a buff for Arti but, it won't level the field by any means

I.e. if you're not first your last.

Artificer has a lot going for it outside of pure ranged DPS, and now has more ranged casting synergy with the addition of the harper tree which also adds a lot to hybrid builds.

[Oxarhamar]

I.e. if you're not first your last.

Artificer has a lot going for it outside of pure ranged DPS, and now has more ranged casting synergy with the addition of the harper tree which also adds a lot to hybrid builds.

It's not a matter of if your not first your last.

By your logic Bard & Paladin would have never been buffed.

Harper tree won't convince me to go pure, take up offensive casting, or using the rune arm again. I'll still ignore those and multi class for actual ranged damage trees.

But that's more of a problem with Artificer than Harper

[moo_cow]

This may be a little late for feedback, but spending 3 points to get 3 USP is too low to be useful. 3 spell power for 3 points doesn't make any sense compared to what you can gain as a caster in your main trees.

[nayozz]

too bad throat dagger doesnt accept maximize and empower...

[Impaqt]

No Dev activity in this thread for 3 weeks at this point. No changes to the Op since the day it was posted.

We got to be getting close to U23 at this point. Is this thing going live like this?

[moo_cow]

No Dev activity in this thread for 3 weeks at this point. No changes to the Op since the day it was posted.

We got to be getting close to U23 at this point. Is this thing going live like this?

I would hope they would be busy fixing the last few items and fixing exploits and bugs.