Master's Blitz Feedback, round two

[B0ltdrag0n]

Max melee power is now 102, 24 from epic levels + 18 from destiny (cores) + 10 thf (all 3 feats) + 50 blitz.

Melees just got a big slap in the face...

This is not correct.
24 from epic levels
The change to cores is 18 AND 30
50 from blitz
10 from weapon style

Epic Destinies

132% Which is still down a significant amount of course.

(LAMANNIA UPDATE): Fury of the Wild and Legendary Dreadnought grants +3 Melee Power per Innate Ability.

Legendary Dreadnaught:
Master's Blitz is now a multi-selector, which allows a character to choose the Dodge version, which caps as it always has, or a new version that adds 30 PRR and MRR when it builds up.
The requirement of using 50 tactical abilities to activate Master's Blitz has been removed.
When activated, the ability builds as enemies are hit.
The destiny's innate abilities each provide a passive and cumulative 5 Melee Power.
(LAMANNIA UPDATE): Master's Blitz now builds up to 50 Melee Power and Ranged Power through charges.

[Severlin]

We made these changes based on both internal testing and a lot of feedback by players about what they were experiencing in the game on Lamannia.

On live Master's Blitz is fairly useless on long boss fights. It is also fairly useless in larger groups unless people are holding back DPS to let the blitzer kill enemies. The version we are testing works well on boss fights, and works well in teams even with multiple blitzers. Players who tested the ability felt that these advantages went a long way to making Master's Blitz powerful. The changes also remove some of the aspects of the ability that were less fun and discouraged grouping.

We are eager to hear some more feedback as players get to play with the new changes.

Sev~

[B0ltdrag0n]

For Comparison on Melee Power in each destiny as it is written in the notes. assuming a 10% combat style bonus
82% Non blitzing Legendary (132 blitzing) (or if it was massively nerfed as suggested 52%/102%
44% Divine Crusader.
50% Fury of the Wild
Other Melee Trees 56%

I know that makes only 2 of them useful still. Eyes Divine and Legendary...

[Grailhawk]

We made these changes based on both internal testing and a lot of feedback by players about what they were experiencing in the game on Lamannia.

On live Master's Blitz is fairly useless on long boss fights. It is also fairly useless in larger groups unless people are holding back DPS to let the blitzer kill enemies. The version we are testing works well on boss fights, and works well in teams even with multiple blitzers. Players who tested the ability felt that these advantages went a long way to making Master's Blitz powerful. The changes also remove some of the aspects of the ability that were less fun and discouraged grouping.

We are eager to hear some more feedback as players get to play with the new changes.

Sev~

You should think of tunning Adrenaline down from a+400% down to +200% to bring it down a bit. But current blitz and MP values look fabulous on paper.

[Pescha]

This is not correct.
24 from epic levels
The change to cores is 18 AND 30
50 from blitz
10 from weapon style

24(epic levels) + 18(destiny innates) + 50(blitz) + 10(combat style) = 102 isn't it ? where did you get 30 from ?

[B0ltdrag0n]

24 + 18 + 50 + 10 = 102 isn't it ? where did you get 30 from ?

I quoted it.

[Takllin]

We made these changes based on both internal testing and a lot of feedback by players about what they were experiencing in the game on Lamannia.

On live Master's Blitz is fairly useless on long boss fights. It is also fairly useless in larger groups unless people are holding back DPS to let the blitzer kill enemies. The version we are testing works well on boss fights, and works well in teams even with multiple blitzers. Players who tested the ability felt that these advantages went a long way to making Master's Blitz powerful. The changes also remove some of the aspects of the ability that were less fun and discouraged grouping.

We are eager to hear some more feedback as players get to play with the new changes.

Sev~

Seriously? I think most can agree that the complaint was not about how much melee power Blitz had, but about the mechanic....

Yet you go and nerf the amount of power and keep the same mechanic...

I also highly disagree that it is fairly useless in larger groups. If you need the party to hold back DPS so that you can keep your 10 stacks of Blitz going...then you should not be Blitzing in the first place.

[B0ltdrag0n]

You should think of tunning Adrenaline down from a+400% down to +200% to bring it down a bit. But current blitz and MP values look fabulous on paper.

No they shouldn't. I think the fact that ranged builds are being driven to this as their exclusive tree is bad enough without destroying the only thing they have. A short burst dps role.

[Pescha]

I quoted it.

(LAMANNIA UPDATE): Fury of the Wild and Legendary Dreadnought grants +3 Melee Power per Innate Ability. (New)

the destiny's innate abilities each provide a passive and cumulative 5 Melee Power. (Outdated)

[B0ltdrag0n]

(LAMANNIA UPDATE): Fury of the Wild and Legendary Dreadnought grants +3 Melee Power per Innate Ability. (New)

the destiny's innate abilities each provide a passive and cumulative 5 Melee Power. (Outdated)

Incorrect On the previous build it was getting 10 per core now its 8 per core.

[Pescha]

Seriously? I think most can agree that the complaint was not about how much melee power Blitz had, but about the mechanic....

Yet you go and nerf the amount of power and keep the same mechanic...

I also highly disagree that it is fairly useless in larger groups. If you need the party to hold back DPS so that you can keep your 10 stacks of Blitz going...then you should not be Blitzing in the first place.

+1

[Pescha]

Incorrect On the previous build it was getting 10 per core now its 8 per core.

I am on lammania right now and i am getting 3 per core for a total of 18.

[B0ltdrag0n]

I am on lammania right now and i am getting 3 per core for a total of 18.

Then they nerfed it by 7 from the last build and did not remove the 2nd note. As it was getting 5 for cores and an additional 5 on the previous build.

Thats very sad.

Still though our choices are still
LD or DC if we are melee. The other trees are still terrible. Fury if ranged.

[Qhualor]

Seriously? I think most can agree that the complaint was not about how much melee power Blitz had, but about the mechanic....

Yet you go and nerf the amount of power and keep the same mechanic...

I also highly disagree that it is fairly useless in larger groups. If you need the party to hold back DPS so that you can keep your 10 stacks of Blitz going...then you should not be Blitzing in the first place.

I was fine with this until the end. try telling a blitzer they shouldn't be blitzing if the group had to hold back dps. too much unnecessary drama going on in these kinds of groups over a necessary mechanic to keep an ability going. to this day we still have people who compare a players dps to kill count. for me personally, I refused to take Blitz because of all the drama and detesting an ability that relies so much on kills.

[Pescha]

Then they nerfed it by 7 from the last build and did not remove the 2nd note. As it was getting 5 for cores and an additional 5 on the previous build.

Thats very sad.

Still though our choices are still
LD or DC if we are melee. The other trees are still terrible. Fury if ranged.

Only exception is shadow dancer (4 MP per innate).

[B0ltdrag0n]

Only exception is shadow dancer (4 MP per innate).

I do not agree. Nothing in that tree is good enough to give up either of the others.

[Pescha]

I do not agree. Nothing in that tree is good enough to give up either of the others.

Yep, just wanted to point that out hehe.

[B0ltdrag0n]

How does this change your plans to scale the Light abilities in KoTC and other such effects since that was the main reason we were sold on the melee power changes to begin with along with the phrase that you did not plan on nerfing any builds.

The light damage abilities will not scale as high as previously indicated thus relegating them to 'I probably wont spend points on them again' status.

[Drwaz99]

Seriously? I think most can agree that the complaint was not about how much melee power Blitz had, but about the mechanic....

Yet you go and nerf the amount of power and keep the same mechanic...

I also highly disagree that it is fairly useless in larger groups. If you need the party to hold back DPS so that you can keep your 10 stacks of Blitz going...then you should not be Blitzing in the first place.

Yes. This.

If a group is holding back DPS so a blitzer can get kills, they already have plenty of DPS without the melee blitzing. It's a non-issue in those groups.

[Pescha]

How does this change your plans to scale the Light abilities in KoTC and other such effects since that was the main reason we were sold on the melee power changes to begin with along with the phrase that you did plan on nerfing any builds.

The light damage abilities will not scale as high as previously indicated thus relegating them to 'I probably wont spend points on them again' status.

fixed that for ya.