U23 Items Feedback thread

[KookieKobold]

Feel free to leave feedback about the U23 items here!


You can find the items on the western side of the Testdojo in the cabinet in the center of the room.

[slarden]

I love everything I've seen so far.

Can you give some additional information about mythic items. You mentioned they are more rare than epic items.

- Can you share a rough idea of the odds of getting compared to a regular epic item (1 in 10 1in 100 1 in 1000?)
- What difficulty or difficulties does it drop on
- Is there an upgrade path or is it just a very rare item?

I think you've given the grinders the endless grind they've been wanting if it's extremely rare. Great idea!

[Delacroix21]

There is a Taint of Evil on more then one item in update 23, will there be a way to remove this?


Basically this ONLY hurts paladin splashes as no one cares about pure good weapons anymore (or can easily umd them). This is just silly to penalize one class.

[Alternative]

Epic Fanged Gauntlets have ARCANE casting dexterity yet the stat on it is 11 wis, why not int and/or cha?

When you made FOT version of Stormreaver Napkin you added cha to it even though it was an int item all along, yet it doesn't seem to work the other way around.

It is as I feared then, the loot is biased against wizards even thought they have the lowest potential single school DCs already.

Also sucks that the gear is all bound, as mentioned elsewhere, unbound loot makes the content run more when people who got the gear they need can get items for trades.

[PermaBanned]

A question about the armors: are Insight bonuses now stacking?

• Insightful Spell Save +1: +1 Insight bonus to all saves vs spells

• Insight +5: +5 Insight bonus to all Fort, Ref & Will saves

Doesn't the latter simply over write the former? What's the purpose/benefit of the combination, especially being on the same item? Perhaps the Spell Save should be changed to Exceptional?

[Ryethiel]

I don't know if every single new item is listed in the other Thread, I just hope you guys remembered Accuracy X/XI and "Double-Doublestrike", somewhere. (The kind of "Doublestrike" that also gives Doubleshot.) It seems like most other stats that anyone would care about has been covered.

Fantastic so far!

[patang01]

Feel free to leave feedback about the U23 items here!


You can find the items on the western side of the Testdojo in the cabinet in the center of the room.

First - most of these items are actually very nice high end items without giving away the kitchen sink. Well complemented. I like that there are plenty of BTA items - perfect. I really like the idea of upgrading augments only. I find that a perfect solution instead of an incremental increase in one of the abilities. You get to use the full effect of the item but not the augment slots until you upgrade. Great solution. And to be able to choose the augment type is just smart. Well done.

There are a few items that are a little on the bad side tho.

Like ring of unknown origin. Not to say anything about the actual stats, but I don't think anyone will use it. +8 is not going to do anything - unless it's an immunity no one will bother. It's just not worth it at all. My suggestion is to beef it up or make it an actual poison etc immunity. Do it - it's after all a high end ring and it would be the only item. It's annoying enough with all that silly stat damage stuff but it would make the item unique.

The rune arm seems yummy and the type of force based item I can actually see myself using. I don't know about the knives tho - I hope it's not indirect aiming since it's really borked right now and more like 'homing' like the current force and acid rune arms. I'm not lazy, just tired of wasting shots because there is a slight hump in front of me.

I also like the idea of the sets, armor and helmet, but some of the armor are a little on the low side considering they're level 28/27. +3 con? The necklace from Haunted haul is a +4 after upgrade and it's ML 26. You can find ML 22 named items with +3 insightful stats. And if this will be competing with shadow scale armor I suggest you make that one stat a little bit juicier. Like +4. Because the rest of it is not all that enticing. Over all most of these are good, worthy of raid loot and a good reason for people to run Epic Necro 4. Well done.

[patang01]

Epic Fanged Gauntlets have ARCANE casting dexterity yet the stat on it is 11 wis, why not int and/or cha?

When you made FOT version of Stormreaver Napkin you added cha to it even though it was an int item all along, yet it doesn't seem to work the other way around.

It is as I feared then, the loot is biased against wizards even thought they have the lowest potential single school DCs already.

Also sucks that the gear is all bound, as mentioned elsewhere, unbound loot makes the content run more when people who got the gear they need can get items for trades.

And the bad part is that if it can be trade few runs it - they just buy it, play a few quests and then takes a break until the next update. the shard AH was and is a big mistake, especially when trading named items.

[Ganak]

Can you give some additional information about mythic items. You mentioned they are more rare than epic items.

- Can you share a rough idea of the odds of getting compared to a regular epic item (1 in 10 1in 100 1 in 1000?)
- What difficulty or difficulties does it drop on

Yeah more info please!

[Dilbon]

While I was playing on Lamannia it was mentioned that mythic items "have much greater drop rate on harder difficulties" or something like that.

[Steelstar]

Hey, everyone! Thanks for the feedback so far.

I love everything I've seen so far.

Can you give some additional information about mythic items. You mentioned they are more rare than epic items.

- Can you share a rough idea of the odds of getting compared to a regular epic item (1 in 10 1in 100 1 in 1000?)
- What difficulty or difficulties does it drop on
- Is there an upgrade path or is it just a very rare item?

I think you've given the grinders the endless grind they've been wanting if it's extremely rare. Great idea!

Mythic items are rare, more powerful versions of particular Epic items. Not every item has a Mythic version; for U23, there are four Mythic items (all Helms).

The drop rate for Mythic versions will vary from dungeon to dungeon, but it's generally much lower than its non-Mythic counterpart. They do appear on all difficulties, but your chances are much higher (though still rare) in Epic Elite. There is no upgrade path from Epic to Mythic.

There is a Taint of Evil on more then one item in update 23, will there be a way to remove this?

Basically this ONLY hurts paladin splashes as no one cares about pure good weapons anymore (or can easily umd them). This is just silly to penalize one class.

Paladins aren't the only Lawful Good characters. And not every item needs to work well for every class.

A question about the armors: are Insight bonuses now stacking?

• Insightful Spell Save +1: +1 Insight bonus to all saves vs spells

• Insight +5: +5 Insight bonus to all Fort, Ref & Will saves

Doesn't the latter simply over write the former? What's the purpose/benefit of the combination, especially being on the same item? Perhaps the Spell Save should be changed to Exceptional?

Insight bonuses don't directly stack, so this may just be an error. We'll take a look at this, thanks.

The rune arm seems yummy and the type of force based item I can actually see myself using. I don't know about the knives tho - I hope it's not indirect aiming since it's really borked right now and more like 'homing' like the current force and acid rune arms. I'm not lazy, just tired of wasting shots because there is a slight hump in front of me.

I also like the idea of the sets, armor and helmet, but some of the armor are a little on the low side considering they're level 28/27. +3 con? The necklace from Haunted haul is a +4 after upgrade and it's ML 26. You can find ML 22 named items with +3 insightful stats. And if this will be competing with shadow scale armor I suggest you make that one stat a little bit juicier. Like +4. Because the rest of it is not all that enticing. Over all most of these are good, worthy of raid loot and a good reason for people to run Epic Necro 4. Well done.

The Rune Arm shot is a little different than any of the other ones. Give it a try if you get a chance.

As for the Armors, unlike Shadowscale, they aren't Raid Loot, and shouldn't necessarily be as strong as Shadowscale as a result.

[Dilbon]

The drop rate for Mythic versions will vary from dungeon to dungeon, but it's generally much lower than its non-Mythic counterpart. They do appear on all difficulties, but your chances are much higher (though still rare) in Epic Elite. There is no upgrade path from Epic to Mythic.

If you ask me, this is about as perfect as it can get.

[Seikojin]

If you ask me, this is about as perfect as it can get.

My thoughts exactly. A epic version which has an easier to obtain path, and a mythic version that is a harder to obtain path. Hopefully the EE difficulty is a high enough chance that you get a mythic in about 20 runs.

[Dilbon]

Oh, and is there a quest chain that can have the epic version of the items on its end reward list?

[SirValentine]

Paladins aren't the only Lawful Good characters.

So far as I know, Paladins indeed are the only class required to be Good.

The fact that other classes may choose to be Good misses the point; Paladin's can't choose not to be Good.

[Krelar]

So far as I know, Paladins indeed are the only class required to be Good.

The fact that other classes may choose to be Good misses the point; Paladin's can't choose not to be Good.

The new +4 insightful strength item hurts paladin's quite a bit too, further devaluing divine might.

[poltt48]

Okay where to begin. There only 1 +4 insightful bonus when HH 26 level gear has few +4 insightful bonuses why did we go back to +3 with high level gear? The only insightful bonuses I see at all here are Con and Str should casters not get insightful bonuses at all on there gear? Armor is nice idea but +3 insight con is useless at this point if you look 90% of every toon that is 28 has HH necklace now with insight 4 con there no way people going to trade a insight 4 dex 4 con necklace for crappy 3 on armor. Really think should have been a different stat then insight 3 con on armor. The sheltering for 27 level items suck one items has 16 another 18 and max 21 when again more then half your players in the game are already using bracers from shadow dragon raid with 30. The buckler is garbage both bucklers from E3BC are better and there only level 24 loots. There few really nice items but some garbage too for level 27 loots.

[moo_cow]

The items all around look pretty good. A few things though. Several of the items I was hoping were gonna be turned to epic weren't. There is a lot more potential for items that have yet to be made epic out of the necro 4 area, and am a little sad that you guys only did a few of them. The helms, shields, and armor look kinda meh but the other items are really nice. The quiver ability with -50 concentration needs to go.

I am hoping that these items aren't too easy to get and I hope there is a point to running the quests on ee.

Why do some of the items only have +3 insightful?

Overall, moar items!!!

[Oxarhamar]

The Rune Arm shot is a little different than any of the other ones. Give it a try if you get a chance.
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Player asks if rune arm will have the terrible buggy to aim get lost in the terrian shot like others on live...

You say try it!

I will when it hits live!

However if this rune arm shot actually is useable maybe it's worth fixing the other shot types they are aweful.


Still I would not add this rune arm to my arsenal /not impressed

The imbue is pierce that's likely to be useless on half the endgame mobs undead etc.. And the 10% proc of 10d6 is not much different than a second imbue of 1d6.

I guess for a force spec caster Arti it's ok otherwise nothing special

[Stoner81]

The new +4 insightful strength item hurts paladin's quite a bit too, further devaluing divine might.

This a thousand times over! FvS's get Divine Might too and having it NOT STACK with Insightful STR is beyond stupid please please change it back to a Sacred Bonus or something.

Stoner81.