U23 Items Feedback thread

[Havader]

Epic Mentau's Goggles- I see this easily becoming a favorite for almost all melee fighters(Any class that does melee fighting), heck even some caster classes may want it for the strength bonuses and the UMD boost if they don't have anything more useful for that slot. So plenty good as is, if you do decide to weaken it as I saw a post that said something about that, be very careful at what you take away.

Epic cloak of Ice-Like the effects, however even with the 2 augment slots it needs a buff. Freezing ice on attacks is really cool and I like it, fire shield is useful, but I just don't see myself using this for anything other than situational(Fire peak raid-well even then probably just use orcish privateer's boots). Would love to see it have some more effects, not sure what you would want to put in there. Blinding glare as a blur or displacement type effect due to the ice maybe? Or Light resistance as it reflects it? Heck add those two and it would be my new cloak. Just some thoughts, hope they help.

Epic Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance- I like it, one change that needs to be done. Deathblock VI should be Deathblock VIII. The reason is the negative energy absorption on the heroic one is better. Also Negative energy absorption is a rarer property and something people look for when slotting items as opposed to properties that you can find in almost any other slot.

Epic Purging the Pantheon-I like it, but might need a little boost. One change that needs to be done, Protection +10 needs to be Protection +11. This is a raid item, while the Epic Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance is not, yet the non skill boosts on that belt are +11. Other than that I will be honest and say I am not sure what exactly it needs, but it does need a little boost. If something occurs to me I will post again. So good item otherwise.

Epic Quiver of Alacrity-I want to like it so much, but I can't. The heroic one was a pain to get, but great for TRing and that was it's original purpose besides being a good piece of gear. This would be a good item, but the -50 concentration kills it. Everyone needs what little they have for UMDing items in battle. Many classes don't have it as a class skill, and UMD takes a lot of skill points as is. Why have stealth strike benefit casters when they will never use this? What class is supposed to use this? I am being serious, not trying to be harsh, as it is a good item otherwise. Please get rid of the -50 concentration, as casters won't use it, ranged characters who use umd, or cast spells, or yes even meditate won't use it. Well I am wrong, only ones who will use it will be ranged spell casters with quicken. That is a sad death for an item all loved on there TR characters. I understand the curse is supposed to lower the min level to 20 for epic TR's, but isn't it possible to use DEV magic to make it 20 without limiting it to one useful class? So once again without the -50 concentration I would use it for my characters. It really is good otherwise.

Epic Litany of the Dead-Just awesome, simply nothing much else to say. Heck even comes with a reason to avoid paladin splashes, besides they are getting a very nice damage boost with this pass anyway, making me think about taking pali as my next TR.

Epic Sanctified Gages- I like them, will probably use them, even if not playing a pali and not getting the smite bonus. The only concern is what a previous poster stated about dispelling guard having issues that needs looked into.

Knives Eternal-Liked it, the shot pattern is definitely more usable than other homing rune arms with the spread being narrower. Not sure about the save value for enemies as I confess my character isn't quite uber enough for EE, just EH. So like what I see and will let other more knowledgable posters do damage/saves comparison.

Epic Chord of Reprisals-Really like it, Sheltering 16 should be higher for level after all at level 28 that is an augment and this is only level 27, other than that I see no need for changes.

Epic Fanged Gloves-Really good, but why Wisdom +11? Not saying a wisdom based caster might not like it, just saying why that one and not charisma or int? Maybe remove that and add something else or just add the other 2 stats. Whichever sounds better to you guys.

Epic Locus of Vol-Love Manslayer showing up again, maybe a more powerful version for epic? Blood Rage has serious downsides which have already been mentioned. Fearsome is very good. On the whole though this item just doesn't feel like it comes together that well. Would be great if it also had Cannith Crafting uses as that is mainly what I like about the heroic one. Maybe another has more useful insights about this item.

Epic Boots of the Innocent-They seem good, no issues. Love greater heroism showing up on items as yes you can cast it or scroll it, but it is nice to have something always on that can't be dispelled(well not by beholders in general anyway although there are some rare times I remember items being disjuncted in raids or quests.)

Shroud of the Ardent-I like this, happy that it is not another ghostly item, but has blur(smoke screen) as nice to not have to cast and it seems like everything has switched to ghostly. Ghostly is more useful, but I like to have both. Immunity to Fear always nice to save a slot, healing amp in a new spot is definitely the best thing here! Sheltering seems like it could be better with a raid item that is just barely above what an augment would be at that level.

[CaptainSpacePony]

I'm not on lamma, so I've only seen what's in this thread (and copy pasted Nivarch's excellent post for item descriptions).

I will preface with power creep, while inevitable, like inflation IRL, needs to be controlled.

I have no comments on the armors since I haven't seen descriptions. Likewise quiver since I don't understand what it does. It does seem a shame that the heroic quiver is one of the most useful items in the game while the epic version is controversial.

Overall:

OP Items Requiring power reduction:

• Epic Litany of the dead
• Epic Epic Chord of reprisal
• Epic Mentaus goggles
• Epic Ethereal bracers
• Epic Boots of the innocent
• Epic Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance

Items requiring no change:

• Sanctified Gages
• Epic Deific Diadem
• Epic Purging the Pantheon
• Shroud of Ardent
• Circle of Malevolence (would like to see taint of evil added for flavor purposes)
• Epic Noxious Embers
• Epic Chord of reprisal
• Epic Fanged Gloves
• Knives Eternal
• Emerald Twilight
• Epic Eye of the Beholder
• Epic Seraphim
• Epic Inferno bracers
• Epic Glimpse of the soul
• Epic Fanged Gloves
• Epic Locus of Vol (It is total garbage, but I am ok with that)

Items that need an upgrade:

• Ring of unknown Origins
• The Falling Darkness
• Mythic Muffled Veneer
• Epic Cloak of Ice
• Epic Emerald Gaze
• Epic/Mythic Minos legens
  

Sanctified Gages – Gloves – BtC - ML 28
UMD +5
Scorching sun: 2d6 light damage on hit with a weapon (does it scale with Melee power?)
Deadly XI
Extra Smites: +2 smites; smites regenerate 10% faster
Greater dispelling guard: When the wearer is hit, apply a Greater Dispel Magic effect dispelling protective spells.
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

This is fine. Deadly 11, Greater dispelling (assuming it works), slot, and the paladin gravy.

Epic Litany of the dead – Trinket – BtC - ML 28
Litany of the dead II – Ability bonus: +2 profane bonus to all stats
Litany of the dead II – Combat bonus: +4 profane to hit and damage
Light of dawn: on hit or missed 10 to 60 damage to attacker (does it scale with Melee power? Spell Power?)
Taint of evil
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

OP, but it is the iconic item. This would still be super-sought after if the hit/damage bonus was reduced to 2. Taint is great.

Epic Deific Diadem – Helm – BtC - ML 28
Lesser Heighten – 5 charges
Wisdom +11
Intel +11
Charisma +11
Deific Focus II: +1 sacred bonus to DC after casting a spell – stack twice
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Solid item.

Epic Purging the Pantheon – Belt – BtC - ML 28
Improved quelling strike
Fortification 150%
Protection +10
Fire absorption 10%
Light Absorption 10%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot
I like this one. The quelling strike is an interesting effect. The other stats are meh, but appreciated (protection could get a bump though). This is worn for the quell strike or not at all.

Shroud of Ardent – Necklace – BtC - ML 28
Armor Bonus +8
Sheltering +18
Smoke screen (20% concealment)
Immunity to fear
Healing amp 30%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Solid defensive utility item. The arguement for a sheltering boost is good, but on the other hand many toons don't currently equip any sheltering so this would still hold some value. You could go either way, just please do so on purpose.

Circle of Malevolence – Ring – BtC - ML 28
Improved Harm 3 charges
Intimidate +25
Resistance +12
Incite +45%
Vitality +40
Insightful sheltering +5
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Good design, good stats. Taint of Evil seems appropriate, but paladins would shriek.

Epic Noxious Embers – Necklace – BtC - ML 28
Lesser Maximize 5 charges
Spell lore - 17% to all spell crits
150 combustion
Efficient Metamagic Enlarge II
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

I too would like to see fire lore paired w/combustion, but understand spell power on accessories can be a gift in itself. The Spell lore mitigates this ommission. I think it's fine as is, but probably won't be much sought after.

Knives Eternal – Rune Arm – BtC - ML 27
Knife Shot - Maximum charge tier V
Spike Guard
Rune Arm imbue: Knife Shot VI
Impulse 150
Kinetic lore XII
Spiked – 10% chance on damage to deal an extra 10d6 spike damage
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

I am not sold on the ML27 rune arm's damage should not stack up well vs the ML24(ish?) glass cannon. Other than that, looks like a solid design.

Ring of unknown Origins – BtA - ML 27
Proof against poison 8
Proof against disease 8
Immunity to fear
Immunity to blindness
Whirlwind ward
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

I can't imagine ever switching to this. As a super-immunity item, I'd like to see stacking saves vs poison and disease, protection from evil, and maybe a small amount of spell absorbtion. I liked the suggestion that the ML be lowered.


Emerald Twilight – Small Shield – BtA - ML 27
Riposte VII
Guardbreaking
Speed XV
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Looks about right.

The Falling Darkness – Buckler – BtA - ML 27
Sheltering 15
Natural Armor 10
Spearblock VII
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Underwhelming. Despite my comment on the mediocre sheltering on Shroud of the Ardent, this is a shield and should offer the full sheltering that comes at level. This is probably true for the natural armor bonus too.

Mythic Muffled Veneer – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Shadow Walk 14 mins – 3 charges
Move silently +20
Spot +20
Hide +20
Reflex Saves +10
Assassination +4
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Would like to see the skills increased a few points. The reflex saves would better as either resistance 10 or a +2ish insightful reflex save.

Epic Eye of the Beholder – Ring – BtA - ML 27
Absorb doomsphere spells 8 charges
Deathblock 6 (18% negative energy absorb)
Intelligence +11
Wizardry X
Spell Saves +1
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

This is ok. Nothing great, but it serves its purpose.

Epic Ethereal bracers – Bracers – BtA - ML 27
Dexterity +11
Riposte IX
Ghostly
Deadly X
Speed XIV
Feather falling
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

A very strong item (even if the speed 14 is a jab for not being 15). It would still be sought after if the values were dropped a tick (hint hint).

Epic Cloak of Ice – Cloak – BtA - ML 27
Fire Shield (cold)
Fire Shield (cold) – Miss guard
Freezing Ice
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

I don't think I'd ever use this. Am I missing something?

Epic Seraphim – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Sacred
Hallowed
Insightful faith
Devotion +144
Deathblock (18% absorb)
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

As it stands, this is basically a red (devo), yellow (DB), and green slot item. Yes turning enhancement is in keeping with the original, but this item needs something else. Or not--not all items have to be uber.

Epic Inferno bracers – bracers – BtA - ML 27
Constitution +11
Superior fire resistance +40
Combustion +144
Spellcraft +20
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

It seems counterintuitve that combustion and fire resistance are the least interesting things about an "Inferno" item but I could see wearing it for con 11, spellcraft 20, and slot.

Epic Chord of reprisal – Belt – BtA - ML 27
Charisma +11
Resonance +144 sonic spell power
Perform +20
Soundproof – Stun immunity from sonic spells
Roar
Sheltering +15
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

The same sheltering argument applies. I'd actually remove it on this item as it's a bit OP. It will still be a superb item for those that want it.

Epic Glimpse of the soul – goggles – BtA - ML 27
True Seeing
Diplomacy +20
Intercession Ward
Bluff +20
Illusion Save +6
Enchantment Save +6
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Some of my toons would rather equip this than a heroic greatsword, but would never touch it if not looking for intercession ward--just like the sword.
Epic Emerald Gaze – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Will save +10
Immunity to fear
Fearsome
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Fearsome, shatter 12, and slot--meh. Maybe this is the item that wants the boots of not guiltyness' tactical bonuses? It sure wants something to keep it out of the vendor's hands.


Epic Fanged Gloves – Gloves – BtA - ML 27
Arcane Casting Dexterity -10%
Blurry
Wisdom +11
Magical Efficiency 10%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Wisdom and casting dexterity combined are counterintuitive and I don't like that about this item but ok.

Epic Locus of Vol – Necklace – BtA - ML 27
Taint of Evil
Fearsome
Blood rage
Manslayer
Vitality +40
Intimidate +20
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Blood rage is terrible, but not every item has to be good. Heck, you could throw another ability or two on there and it would still be a skill tester that vendors would collect.

Epic Mentaus goggles – Goggle – BtA - ML 27
Seeker +10
Exceptional seeker +2
Ghostly
UMD +5
Insightful Strength +4
Strength +11
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

This is too much. Sense when did the master artificer get so obsessed with Str? Remove ghostly, exceptional seeker, and reduce insightful Str to +2 or 3. The fact that the +4 str is insightful is a good thing btw. Not stacking w/divine might is good design.

Epic/Mythic Minos legens – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Fortification +150%
Vitality +40/45
Fortitude save +10
Sheltering +18/21
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Oh how the Minos has fallen... I would like to see this iconic and mythic helm get a boost.

Epic Boots of the innocent– Boots – BtA - ML 27
Resistance +11
Speed XV
Vertigo +12
Stunning +12
Shatter +12
Greater Heroism
Tendon Slice 6%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

OP. Remove the tactical feats, I hear there's a green thing looking for them. Even with those removed, players will be wanting these more than OJ wanted Johny Cochran.

Epic Belt of Thoughtful rememberance – Boots – BtA - ML 27
Deathblock (18% absorb)
Constitution +11
Concentration +20
Resistance +11
Dodge +11%
Greater Regeneration
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

OP. I would gladly wear it if all those 11s were 10s.

[Nadion]

Overall the new items seem very powerful, and a bit "messy". By which I mean that a lot of them seem to be grab bags of high powered enhancements. It's as though someone decided that as the game is going to top out at around this level there was no need to hold back. Hard to see how comparable loot can keep being released over the next few updates without much of it being redundant.

Multiple Vitality items, but no False Life items. Traditionally False life has been common and Vitality has been rare, making slotting vitality more of a challenge. Changing the vitality into False Life, except of the Epic/Mythic Minos Legens would be my preference.

Bit disappointed by the lack of weapons. Its not like they would have invalidated Thunderforged (the problem there is the rampant duping of materials). They would have filled different niches from what can be accomplished the relatively limited range of options for building Thunderforged and added some variety back into end game weaponry.

A bit overboard with augment slots. We're really reaching a point at which most characters will have more slots than things they want to put in them.

Also I hope the item names that are just "Epic" + "Old Name" are just placeholders. It's immersion breaking, and even weirder given that some are getting their own names.


Sanctified Gages – Gloves – BtC - ML 28
UMD +5
Scorching sun: 2d6 light damage on hit with a weapon (does it scale with Melee power?)
Deadly XI
Extra Smites: +2 smites; smites regenerate 10% faster
Greater dispelling guard: When the wearer is hit, apply a Greater Dispel Magic effect dispelling protective spells.
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Nice Paladin Gloves. Not sure how the UMD fits in thematically. Maybe having them add Good Alignment to equipped weapons would fit the concept better. I'd also like to see the icon changed to something more like gauntlet, instead of the evil themed glove graphic it uses now which doesn't fit the "sanctified" theme.

Epic Litany of the dead – Trinket – BtC - ML 28
Litany of the dead II – Ability bonus: +2 profane bonus to all stats
Litany of the dead II – Combat bonus: +4 profane to hit and damage
Light of dawn: on hit or missed 10 to 60 damage to attacker (does it scale with Melee power? Spell Power?)
Taint of evil
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Nifty, but not sure what the Light of Dawn ability is doing here.

Epic Deific Diadem – Helm – BtC - ML 28
Lesser Heighten – 5 charges
Wisdom +11
Intel +11
Charisma +11
Deific Focus II: +1 sacred bonus to DC after casting a spell – stack twice
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Very potent. Will be highly sought after by casters.

Epic Purging the Pantheon – Belt – BtC - ML 28
Improved quelling strike
Fortification 150%
Protection +10
Fire absorption 10%
Light Absorption 10%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

A decent item, maybe a little lacking but the unique quelling effect will win it some use.

Shroud of Ardent – Necklace – BtC - ML 28
Armor Bonus +8
Sheltering +18
Smoke screen (20% concealment)
Immunity to fear
Healing amp 30%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Nice item. +8 Armor seems a little pointless though. At lvl28 people will be getting more than that even from Robes. I'd also consider making it a cloak instead of a necklace.

Circle of Malevolence – Ring – BtC - ML 28
Improved Harm 3 charges
Intimidate +25
Resistance +12
Incite +45%
Vitality +40
Insightful sheltering +5
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Very nice tank item. Mighty suggest False Life +50 in place of Vitality +40.

Epic Noxious Embers – Necklace – BtC - ML 28
Lesser Maximize 5 charges
Spell lore - 17% to all spell crits
150 combustion
Efficient Metamagic Enlarge II
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Decent for Fire Savants I guess.

Ring of unknown Origins – BtA - ML 27
Proof against poison 8
Proof against disease 8
Immunity to fear
Immunity to blindness
Whirlwind ward
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Pointless Item. At his level you'll get everything here except the Whirlwind Ward either on other items or on augments. I probably won't even bother keeping it around as a swappie against Air Eles.

Mythic Muffled Veneer – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Shadow Walk 14 mins – 3 charges
Move silently +20
Spot +20
Hide +20
Reflex Saves +10
Assassination +4
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Reflex +10 is kind of moot at a stage when Resistance +10-12 items are on the table. Make this a smaller bonus that will stack with regular resistance bonuses.

Epic Eye of the Beholder – Ring – BtA - ML 27
Absorb doomsphere spells 8 charges
Deathblock 6 (18% negative energy absorb)
Intelligence +11
Wizardry X
Spell Saves +1
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Passable Wizard item, at least until an Epic Deific Diadem can be acquired.

Epic Ethereal bracers – Bracers – BtA - ML 27
Dexterity +11
Riposte IX
Ghostly
Deadly X
Speed XIV
Feather falling
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Very strong. Seems a bit odd that we're getting another set of DEX +11 bracers so soon (though ideally it would make more sense to change Dumothoin's to STR or CON than to change these). I'd suggest changing Deadly X in Accuracy X. I think that would fit the theme better, cover something that none of the other new items cover, and be a slight nerf to a somewhat OP item.

Epic Cloak of Ice – Cloak – BtA - ML 27
Fire Shield (cold)
Fire Shield (cold) – Miss guard
Freezing Ice
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Lousy. Maybe if it could also freeze of being hit?

Epic Seraphim – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Sacred
Hallowed
Insightful faith
Devotion +144
Deathblock (18% absorb)
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Respectable, if only because provides another slot option for getting Devotion.

Epic Inferno bracers – bracers – BtA - ML 27
Constitution +11
Superior fire resistance +40
Combustion +144
Spellcraft +20
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Passable. Maybe trade Spellcraft +20 for Fire Lore X.

Epic Chord of reprisal – Belt – BtA - ML 27
Charisma +11
Resonance +144 sonic spell power
Perform +20
Soundproof – Stun immunity from sonic spells
Roar
Sheltering +15
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Nice toy for Bards and Air Savants. Ditch Sheltering and it will still be sought after. Sonic Lore would be nice, but hat could push this well in OP territory.

Epic Glimpse of the soul – goggles – BtA - ML 27
True Seeing
Diplomacy +20
Intercession Ward
Bluff +20
Illusion Save +6
Enchantment Save +6
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Only good for the intercession ward. These will collect dust when not in the new Abbot Raid.

Epic Emerald Gaze – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Will save +10
Immunity to fear
Fearsome
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Will Save needs to be something that will stack with resistance.


Epic Fanged Gloves – Gloves – BtA - ML 27
Arcane Casting Dexterity -10%
Blurry
Wisdom +11
Magical Efficiency 10%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Decent item. Even though Wisdom and Casting Dexterity aren't an ideal coupling the other effects are good and rare enough to justify some use.

Epic Locus of Vol – Necklace – BtA - ML 27
Taint of Evil
Fearsome
Blood rage
Manslayer
Vitality +40
Intimidate +20
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Not great. Replace Vitality with false life. Maybe add negative damage on on hit or Necro DC?

Epic Mentaus goggles – Goggle – BtA - ML 27
Seeker +10
Exceptional seeker +2
Ghostly
UMD +5
Insightful Strength +4
Strength +11
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

I don't like this. Makes no sense thematically. Ditch the STR for some combination of Spot/Search/Disable Device/Open Lock/True Seeing and/or Accuracy. Maybe a unique effect that targets constructs would be appropriate as well.

Epic/Mythic Minos Legens – Helm – BtA - ML 27
Fortification +150%
Vitality +40/45
Fortitude save +10
Sheltering +18/21
Unbreakable adamancy
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Make the Fort bonus stack with resistance. Up the vitality to +50 on the Mythic version. Change the other vitality items in this update to False Life and this will be a worthy successor to the original. Otherwise quite lacklustre.

Epic Boots of the innocent– Boots – BtA - ML 27
Resistance +11
Speed XV
Vertigo +12
Stunning +12
Shatter +12
Greater Heroism
Tendon Slice 6%
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Really over the top. Lose the tactics bonuses. A cool idea would be to make them weak in and of themselves, but make them negate taint of evil so good characters could use Epic Litany by giving up the boot slot.

Epic Belt of Thoughtful Remembrance – Belt – BtA - ML 27
Deathblock (18% absorb)
Constitution +11
Concentration +20
Resistance +11
Dodge +11%
Greater Regeneration
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Another grab bag of strong effects. Maybe tone resistance and dodge down to +10?

[cru121]

You've added random amount of Sheltering to several items. And it's really a mess. Perhaps you should take this opportunity and rebalance all existing sheltering items. (Here's a list: http://ddowiki.com/page/Category:Sheltering_items)

I mean, there's +3 on ML17 tower shield (Bastion heroic hard), and then there's +24 on a ML19 ring (Guardian's). I get it that Guardian's Ring is a perk for buying expansion, so it's OK that it's a bit higher.

lvl - prr
28 - 24
24 - 21
20 - 18
16 - 15
12 - 12
8 - 9
4 - 6
0 - 3

Perhaps it's also time to allow add Sheltering on random armor and/or shields.

[Thar]

Feel free to leave feedback about the U23 items here!


You can find the items on the western side of the Testdojo in the cabinet in the center of the room.

The light shields are not focused enough on defense, bashing builds or caster shields. mixing defense, offense and other minor effects like guard breaking are not consistent with the other end game shields. where is a +9 like the raid shield? why spikes?

[archerforever]

If you want Thunderforged weapons to be strongest weapons in the game, i can understand it, but Epic Abbot MUST HAVE epic weapons !!! These weapons can be as powerfull as thunder forged or a bit less, i dont care but i REALLY WANT TO HAVE AN EPIC Unwavering Ardency !!!!!!!!! GIVE ME MY EPIC Unwavering Ardency or the epic abbot will be useless in my point of view.

I think so peoples could really enjoy an Epic Staff of the Petitioner and an Epic Breeze too ... and maybe some more NEW weapons beacause a raid without weapons is a SHAME !!!!!!

Thanks

[Satyriasys]

We finally get a new runearm and it looks exactly like all the other runearms. Do you guys not have artists working for you? Still waiting for decent looking runearm, and mirror of glamoring won't help since they all look the same anyway.

When you add new end-game loot to a game it's generally not a good idea to re-use old artwork.

[Wizza]

And no improvements for this round.

I will expect improvement right before it goes live, so if we don't like them, we are SOL. Usual business.

[kmoustakas]

I am seeing some great ideas like mythic minos being pumped to +50 vitality and some amazing ideas like a taint of evil supressant on boots of the innocent exactly like the madness supressant.

The general consesus is though the items don't make the slightest bit of sense devs. It's like you chose abilities at random*. Strong abilities for sure but random. I do fear it's too late in development cycle to do anything about anything though so blerg What are the chances of having a later pass at this, kind of like what happened to the heroic raid that all loot was nerfed to oblivi...er, I mean 'updated' two-three times?

*Edit: bonus t-shirt designing process http://i.imgur.com/6pfy7.jpg

[SealedInSong]

Oh and about the Ward Goggles against the Quells: please check the ward because it seems that the quells can debuff through it.

Time to update your sig--lvl 25? :]

+1 re: quelling guard on goggles...it's one of the things that make the item absolutely unique, which is a really good move for any item.

Make sure dispelling doesn't work through it.

***20th list: has the truncated reward list from heroic been fixed? Because if not...ouch.

[Psiandron]

I'm not going to do a full write-up at this juncture, as it's pretty much been said before. You'll should see where I'm coming from if I just briefly catagorize the equipment.

The equipment in this update is just swarming with enhancements and I generally found it impossible not to have some effects be overpowered by others, or redundant.

The 'amazing' items still often have drawbacks, but generally I was pretty happy with wearing them. The 'good' items I thought were solid, but could use a little tweeking. 'Decent' items I thought needed a little more substantial buff and the rest are pretty obvious.

Amazing Items:

• Epic Litany of the dead
• Epic Mentaus goggles
• Epic/Mythic Minos legens
• Epic Belt of Thoughtful rememberance
• Epic Boots of the innocent

Good items:

• Sanctified Gages
• Epic Deific Diadem
• Epic Ethereal bracers
• Epic Eye of the Beholder

Decent items:

• Shroud of Ardent
• Circle of Malevolence
• Epic Chord of reprisal

Items that need a major boost:

• Epic Noxious Embers
• Emerald Twilight
• The Falling Darkness
• Mythic Muffled Veneer
• Epic Seraphim
• Epic Inferno bracers
• Epic Fanged Gloves

Items that need a complete revamp:

• Epic Purging the Pantheon
• Ring of unknown Origins
• Epic Cloak of Ice
• Epic Emerald Gaze
• Epic Locus of Vol

In general I liked the armors when went in on the first go-around. bbqzor gave a nice write up on their shortcomings on page 5, but generally I thought that were at least serviceable.

However, in this last incarnation Sev kept his word and removed the mithral property from the armors. That's fine, I'm in favor of removing mithral from the game entirely if Turbine has no intention of supporting it. However, by simply pulling the mithral property from the Scales of Surety and the Chain of Conviction Sev not only doomed them to that worst of both possible worlds which is medium armor, he left it impossible for a character that wears light armor ro get the adamancy bonus. I think that that is a problem/mistake. At least one of those armors should be converted back to light armor somehow.

[RobbinB]

OK, who hit fast forward on the power-creep DVD?

[Iriale]

Epic Eye of the Beholder – Ring – BtA - ML 27
Absorb doomsphere spells 8 charges
Deathblock 6 (18% negative energy absorb)
Intelligence +11
Wizardry X
Spell Saves +1
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Does the negative energy absorption interfere with the PM healing? If so, fix this, pls.

[Delacroix21]

Are we going to see an upgrade to some of these items in future lamannia patches?


Especially some of the +10 resist etc. I am ok with resist that only affects 1 type, but it should be some sort of exceptional bonus to stack with normal resist items.

[kwyjibo_lol]

Feel free to leave feedback about the U23 items here!


You can find the items on the western side of the Testdojo in the cabinet in the center of the room.

Why isn't there an Epic Shroud of the Abbot, the Epic Shroud of the Ardent? The Abbot robe is a legendary piece of gear that deserves to be epicified. Please, please, please make it happen!!!

It would be nice to have some flavour weapons drop too with an Epic Petitioner staff, Epic Breeze and Epic Unwavering Ardency bow.

[Gempoult]

I have a suggestion for this item:

Ring of unknown Origins – BtA - ML 27
Proof against poison 8
Proof against disease 8
Immunity to fear
Immunity to blindness
Whirlwind ward
Upgradeable Primary: Yellow or Blue slot
Upgradeable Primary: Green slot

Everyone seems to agree is one of the worst in the pack and won't be used at all as is now but how about...

Change the proof against poison and disease to 10 and add another 5 stacking ones and add immunity to petrifaction? Those DC 1806 flesh to stones of the WGU end boss are annoying
It still won't be OP or even great but occasionally useful, so good, right?

[Wizza]

- Epic quiver:

Concentration -50
Ranged speed XV
Stealth Strike
Insightful Sneak Attack +4

It has now Ranged Speed XV instead of Speed XV.


- Silver lining, small shield:

Shield bonus +13
DR: 12
20/x2
Doublestrike 6%
Insightful Combat Mastery +5
Resistance +10
Hardened Spike


- The falling Darkness:

Sheltering +24
Natural Armor +10
Speakblock VII

It has now Sheltering +24 instead of Sheltering +15



- The rising light, Buckler:

SB:+10
DR: 12
Constituion +10
Protection +10
Dexterity +10


- Mythic Muffled Veneer:

MS +20
Hide +20
Spot +20
Insightful Reflex +2
Assassination +4
Doublestrike +9%

It has now Doublestrike +9%
It has now Insightful Reflex +2 instead of Reflex Save +10


- Epic Cloak of Ice:

Superior Fire Resistance +40
Fire shield, cold
Fire shield (Cold) Miss-chance
Freezing Ice

It has now Superior Fire Resistance +40


- Epic Emerald Gaze:

Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Insightful Will Save +2
Immunity to Fear
Strenght +11
Tendon Slice 6%

It has now Insightful Will Save +2 instead of Will save +10
It has now Strenght +11
It has now Tendon Slice 6%


- Mythic Emerald Gaze:

Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Insightful Will Save +2
Immunity to Fear
Strenght +11
Tendon Slice 6%
Insightful Combat Mastery +5
Insightful Strenght +4

It has now Insightful Strenght +4
It has now Insightful Combat Mastery +5


- Epic Glimpse of the Soul:

True Seeing
Diplomacy +20
Intercession Ward
Bluff +20
Illusion Save +6
Enchantment Save +6
Wisdom +11

It has now Wisdom +11


- Epic Chord of Reprisals:

Charisma +11
Resonance +144
Perform +20
Soundproof
Roar
Sheltering +24

It has now Sheltering +24 instead of Sheltering +15


- Epic Fanged Gloves:

Arcane Casting Dexterity -10%
Blurry
Intelligence +11
Magical Efficiency 10%

It has now Intelligence +11 instead of Wisdom +11


- Epic Boots of the Innocent:

Resistance +11
Speed XV
Vertigo +12
Stunning +12
Shatter +12
Greater Heroism

It hasn't Tendon Slice 6% anymore


- Mythic Minos Legens:

Fortification 150%
Vitality +45
Insightful Fortitude Save +2
Sheltering +30
Insightful Constitution +3

It has now Insightful Fortitude Save +2 instead of Fortitude Save +10
It has now Sheltering +30 instead of Sheltering +21


- Epic Mentau's Goggles:

Seeker +10
Exceptional Seeker +2
Ghostly
UMD +5
Dexterity +11

It has now Dexterity +11 instead of the Strenght +11
It doesn't have Insightful Strenght +4

[Blackheartox]

- Epic quiver:

Concentration -50
Ranged speed XV
Stealth Strike
Insightful Sneak Attack +4

It has now Ranged Speed XV instead of Speed XV.


- Silver lining, small shield:

Shield bonus +13
DR: 12
20/x2
Doublestrike 6%
Insightful Combat Mastery +5
Resistance +10
Hardened Spike


- The falling Darkness:

Sheltering +24
Natural Armor +10
Speakblock VII

It has now Sheltering +24 instead of Sheltering +15



- The rising light, Buckler:

SB:+10
DR: 12
Constituion +10
Protection +10
Dexterity +10


- Mythic Muffled Veneer:

MS +20
Hide +20
Spot +20
Insightful Reflex +2
Assassination +4
Doublestrike +9%

It has now Doublestrike +9%
It has now Insightful Reflex +2 instead of Reflex Save +10


- Epic Cloak of Ice:

Superior Fire Resistance +40
Fire shield, cold
Fire shield (Cold) Miss-chance
Freezing Ice

It has now Superior Fire Resistance +40


- Epic Emerald Gaze:

Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Insightful Will Save +2
Immunity to Fear
Strenght +11
Tendon Slice 6%

It has now Insightful Will Save +2 instead of Will save +10
It has now Strenght +11
It has now Tendon Slice 6%


- Mythic Emerald Gaze:

Intimidate +20
Shatter +12
Insightful Will Save +2
Immunity to Fear
Strenght +11
Tendon Slice 6%
Insightful Combat Mastery +5
Insightful Strenght +4

It has now Insightful Strenght +4
It has now Insightful Combat Mastery +5


- Epic Glimpse of the Soul:

True Seeing
Diplomacy +20
Intercession Ward
Bluff +20
Illusion Save +6
Enchantment Save +6
Wisdom +11

It has now Wisdom +11


- Epic Chord of Reprisals:

Charisma +11
Resonance +144
Perform +20
Soundproof
Roar
Sheltering +24

It has now Sheltering +24 instead of Sheltering +15


- Epic Fanged Gloves:

Arcane Casting Dexterity -10%
Blurry
Intelligence +11
Magical Efficiency 10%

It has now Intelligence +11 instead of Wisdom +11


- Epic Boots of the Innocent:

Resistance +11
Speed XV
Vertigo +12
Stunning +12
Shatter +12
Greater Heroism

It hasn't Tendon Slice 6% anymore


- Mythic Minos Legens:

Fortification 150%
Vitality +45
Insightful Fortitude Save +2
Sheltering +30
Insightful Constitution +3

It has now Insightful Fortitude Save +2 instead of Fortitude Save +10
It has now Sheltering +30 instead of Sheltering +21


- Epic Mentau's Goggles:

Seeker +10
Exceptional Seeker +2
Ghostly
UMD +5
Dexterity +11

It has now Dexterity +11 instead of the Strenght +11
It doesn't have Insightful Strenght +4

So mentau googs became over night a best in slot for melles that all drolled over to a maybe best in slot for shuriken builds..
Yea makes sense, seems devs love me since im playing one...

Weird change, dont like it personally and quiver became less interesting now.
You wont get 22% ranged speed with it anyways, it offers only 4 sneak /masque more, a 50 concentration debuff which hurts 10 k and umd.
And i seriously dont know about any current meta build that doesnt want threat..
Really bad item.
Il assume the ranged speed doesnt even give you striding anymore? If no then its worse then heroic quiver, heck is worse then large wide quiver due to debuff.
When i was dreaming about quiver i was thinking about a item with unique on hit effects, not this garbage they gave us.
Also boots of innocent still seem to op to me and fanged gloves to good for shiradi robots and palemasters, would be nice to add 11 charisma and 30% amp for sorcs

Well, is there any item in this update like really good for sorcs?
To lazy to look up and rad on all of them atm and still away from ddo

[poltt48]

Well with changes on lamnia to loots see next to nothing we said you guys listened to the epic Seraphim still worst helm ever seen half stuff does not stack and useless I can get better then this helm on level 10. The good items like mentau's goggles and belt of thoughtful rememberance was nerfed will now never use either for my toons. Must say this is by far the worst loots ever other then raid will never run any of this content more then 1 time cause loot is garbage. I can get better loots out of HH at same level or Wheloon/stormhorns at lower level. What a waste of your time to even make any items outside of the raid since all garbage. Thought we where suppose to be getting 27 level loots to help us when 30 came out but only thing see on lamnia that will help us is the raid loots.

[Satyriasys]

- Epic Fanged Gloves:

Arcane Casting Dexterity -10%
Blurry
Intelligence +11
Magical Efficiency 10%

It has now Intelligence +11 instead of Wisdom +11

We already have Intelligence +11 on the Deific Diadem. This would be a good place for Insightful Intelligence +4 (or even 3)