Developers: what about Two Weapon Fighting?

[Wizza]

You are giving THF a +20 Melee power bonus. You are giving SWF a +20 Melee Power bonus. Where is TWF?

Is there really anything to add to this? TWF is already behind both those fighting styles. Give them a +20 Melee Power too. Period.

[Grailhawk]

WOW just wow.

[thegreatneil]

Why would it need it?

[Wizza]

Why would it need it?

Because it already sucks. Because without it, it will suck even more.

[Qhualor]

Because it already sucks. Because without it, it will suck even more.

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

[Wizza]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

Says the guy telling me to melee on a caster.

It just makes sense to give MP to TWF while giving it to everyone else. TWF is behind them, that's simply the truth. Accept it or just don't bother commenting.

[Delacroix21]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

If SWF and THF now match TWF in dps, why TWF?


TWF costs TWICE the thunderforge ingredients. Thats a HUGE disadvantage.


At least WoW solved this issue by making TWF weapons 1/2 the ingredient costs of THF weapons, but SWF screws all that up.

[Qhualor]

Says the guy telling me to melee on a caster.

It just makes sense to give MP to TWF while giving it to everyone else. TWF is behind them, that's simply the truth. Accept it or just don't bother commenting.

Umm actually PermaBanned did. I just said use the rock when you are getting attacked by laser beams.

Anyhoo, some say THF is behind SWF. What about them? Their DPS is terrible and too far behind. They need more melee power to catch up to SWF power! Present some math or some evidence that TWF is so far behind that it needs melee power. Don't just say "because I said so" and expect to be taken seriously.

[Qhualor]

If SWF and THF now match TWF in dps, why TWF?


TWF costs TWICE the thunderforge ingredients. Thats a HUGE disadvantage.


At least WoW solved this issue by making TWF weapons 1/2 the ingredient costs of THF weapons, but SWF screws all that up.

More ingredients to make 2 weapons doesn't make TWF a disadvantage.

[Wizza]

Umm actually PermaBanned did. I just said use the rock when you are getting attacked by laser beams.

Anyhoo, some say THF is behind SWF. What about them? Their DPS is terrible and too far behind. They need more melee power to catch up to SWF power! Present some math or some evidence that TWF is so far behind that it needs melee power. Don't just say "because I said so" and expect to be taken seriously.

So, because THF < SWF, TWF should not receive this free melee power? Let me show you it simply:

TWF > THF > SWF.

Now, SWF is being nerfed a bit, THF is getting a huge boost with Glancing while moving and where will TWF? Still there. Still makes no sense.

Also, if you want to know why TWF sucks, there is a good thread in the General Discussion. You should check.

Also, Melee Power is not affecting Sneak Attack, which makes TWF fall behind even more (I'm looking at you rogues)

[Thrudh]

TWF costs TWICE the thunderforge ingredients. Thats a HUGE disadvantage.

You get twice (well almost) as many effects too... That's a HUGE advantage.

All that said, I'd like to see TWF get 20 melee power as well... Or just remove it from THF and SWF...

[Qhualor]

So, because THF < SWF, TWF should not receive this free melee power? Let me show you it simply:

TWF > THF > SWF.

Now, SWF is being nerfed a bit, THF is getting a huge boost with Glancing while moving and where will TWF? Still there. Still makes no sense.

Also, if you want to know why TWF sucks, there is a good thread in the General Discussion. You should check.

Also, Melee Power is not affecting Sneak Attack, which makes TWF fall behind even more (I'm looking at you rogues)

My ranger and barb are TWF. I never saw that big of an issue and never felt so far behind in DPS. Any issues I saw came from the enhancements, not generalized TWF.

[Wizza]

My ranger and barb are TWF. I never saw that big of an issue and never felt so far behind in DPS. Any issues I saw came from the enhancements, not generalized TWF.

Go look for the thread I said.

[Alternative]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

hundreds of what? monkchers, throwers, shiradi, cetuses, acrobats, and now swashbucklers, hundreds of those you mean?

nobody is even asking for a buff to twf here, if swf and thf get melee power it's only fair twf should get it too

[Qhualor]

hundreds of what? monkchers, throwers, shiradi, cetuses, acrobats, and now swashbucklers, hundreds of those you mean?

nobody is even asking for a buff to twf here, if swf and thf get melee power it's only fair twf should get it too

Nope. Those aren't the only builds in the game. I come across tons of TWF that are not those you list.

Wizza is asking for a buff. Look at the OP. It shouldn't be what's fair. It should be what is balancing.

[Qhualor]

Go look for the thread I said.

I don't need to read that thread when I see for myself in game.

[Wizza]

I don't need to read that thread when I see for myself in game.

Well obviously you don't.

[Bridge_Dweller]

MP affecting Sneak attack is probably all that would be needed.

[Wizza]

MP affecting Sneak attack is probably all that would be needed.

It doesn't.

[droid327]

THF was in the carp house more than the other melee styles and it got the most bonus...MP plus GBs while moving. S&B was already getting enhancement love it needed and now has some MP too. SWF is a wash since they gained MP but lost 50% stat bonus!

TWF still gets MP from epic levels and EDs, the 20% from weapon style won't mean TWF does 20% less per hit. Though it costs more to equip, it'll still have the highest ceiling for single target damage and ROF.

The big winners in the weapon style changes are Skirmishers...they'll get MP from both SWF and ISM plus double strike (they didn't make these exclusive like they threatened did they?)