Developers: what about Two Weapon Fighting?

[Wizza]

You are giving THF a +20 Melee power bonus. You are giving SWF a +20 Melee Power bonus. Where is TWF?

Is there really anything to add to this? TWF is already behind both those fighting styles. Give them a +20 Melee Power too. Period.

[Grailhawk]

WOW just wow.

[thegreatneil]

Why would it need it?

[Wizza]

Why would it need it?

Because it already sucks. Because without it, it will suck even more.

[Qhualor]

Because it already sucks. Because without it, it will suck even more.

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

[Wizza]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

Says the guy telling me to melee on a caster.

It just makes sense to give MP to TWF while giving it to everyone else. TWF is behind them, that's simply the truth. Accept it or just don't bother commenting.

[Delacroix21]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

If SWF and THF now match TWF in dps, why TWF?


TWF costs TWICE the thunderforge ingredients. Thats a HUGE disadvantage.


At least WoW solved this issue by making TWF weapons 1/2 the ingredient costs of THF weapons, but SWF screws all that up.

[Alternative]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

hundreds of what? monkchers, throwers, shiradi, cetuses, acrobats, and now swashbucklers, hundreds of those you mean?

nobody is even asking for a buff to twf here, if swf and thf get melee power it's only fair twf should get it too

[Thar]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

TWF user... it's fallen behind THF for a while now and now single weapon fighting. it needs the boost.

[Eth]

Tell that to the hundreds of TWF out there. This is just another example of not knowing the game that well.

I play a TWFer on live. And I would like to continue to do so.
But after testing all 3 styles on lammania I simply can't justify going TWF any more. It just sucks in comparision.

[Mryal]

You are giving SWF a +20 Melee Power bonus. Where is TWF?

Read again.SWF is actualy getting nerfed, losing the +200% stat bonus going down to 150%, in favor of gaining 20 melee power.But im ok with it, and i use it every day.

And there are no reasons to not let Melee Power affect SA damage too.

This makes no sense, if its not beign affected by melee power, its likely bugged then.Any dev response on this before it goes live and we never know if its WAI or not?

[Wizza]

Read again.SWF is actualy getting nerfed, losing the +200% stat bonus going down to 150%, in favor of gaining 20 melee power.But im ok with it, and i use it every day.

But you are getting +40 Melee Power with SWF and Shield feats. It probably balance itselfs out. It's still more powerful than TWF in every area.

This makes no sense, if its not beign affected by melee power, its likely bugged then.Any dev response on this before it goes live and we never know if its WAI or not?

I hope so =\ I opened a new thread about that but I guess here it's fine too.

[Vargouille]

Point of information: Melee power from each combat style has the bonus type Combat Style.

With the current design, having all Shield, SWF, and THF feats gives +20 Melee Power total.

[Ovrad]

With the current design, having all Shield, SWF, and THF feats gives +20 Melee Power total.

And TWF gives you +0 Melee Power total.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

Point of information: Melee power from each combat style has the bonus type Combat Style.

With the current design, having all Shield, SWF, and THF feats gives +20 Melee Power total.

So to be clear, they don't stack? (Useful info for swashbuckling SWF bards, or sword-and-board with bastard swords/dwarven axes)

[levy1964]

any1 read this from lamannia relase note ?
Tempest : Dance of Death now has a 15 second cooldown, so Melee Dual Wielding Attack: Deals +1/+3/+5[W] damage. Your basic attacks when dual wielding strike 2/3/4 targets per swing instead of one for 6 seconds with 15 second cooldown
The Growing Storm now has a 30 second cooldown Melee Dual Wielding Attack: Attacks an opponent. For the next 5/10/15 seconds, each time you damage an opponent you gain +1 damage for 5 seconds. This effect can stack up to 10 times.

u cry about: what about Two Weapon Fighting? but give me reason bk again to ranger and stay TWF. good job Dev's i waiting for this

[Zerkul]

Point of information: Melee power from each combat style has the bonus type Combat Style.

With the current design, having all Shield, SWF, and THF feats gives +20 Melee Power total.

Hey Vargouille have two questions.

Melee Power stacks additively or multiplicatively with other % damage modifiers already in game (ex.: Damage Boost, Crusade, Song from Warchanter...) ?

Melee power works like Damage Boost with the addition of working on some enhancements (ex.: paladin light damage, rogue shadow dagger ?) ?

Z.

[mezzorco]

Given that THF gets glancing blows while moving, I say at least give TWF a more reliable animation while moving.
It's currently comical trying to hit things while moving for TWFighters.

[A-O]

Read again.SWF is actualy getting nerfed, losing the +200% stat bonus going down to 150%, in favor of gaining 20 melee power.But im ok with it, and i use it every day.

Actually, SWF is getting buffed compared to how it is now. Say you do 150 damage per swing currently sitting at say 60 str. That 60 str is a 25 modifier. Or 50 damage currently.
After the patch it'll be 37.5 damage from strength, so 137.5 damage per swing instead. But, you're getting 20 melee power. If you are anything but LD you're sitting at 70 MP base, or 90 with the new SWF.
That means 137.5*1.9 vs 150*1.7. Or 261 vs 255.

The more base damage per swing, the greater the benefit from MP, but the more MP (say you go LD for 170 MP), the less benefit from the new SWF.

In most scenarios, it'll likely end up as a buff to SWF.

[droid327]

Actually, SWF is getting buffed compared to how it is now. Say you do 150 damage per swing currently sitting at say 60 str. That 60 str is a 25 modifier. Or 50 damage currently.
After the patch it'll be 37.5 damage from strength, so 137.5 damage per swing instead. But, you're getting 20 melee power. If you are anything but LD you're sitting at 70 MP base, or 90 with the new SWF.
That means 137.5*1.9 vs 150*1.7. Or 261 vs 255.

The more base damage per swing, the greater the benefit from MP, but the more MP (say you go LD for 170 MP), the less benefit from the new SWF.

In most scenarios, it'll likely end up as a buff to SWF.

Counterpoint...If you're doing 125/112 currently as twf, with 70MP that goes up to 212/190. Swf gained 111 dmg x 30% faster= 144, twf gains 87+78=165 dmg