12fvs/6wiz builds becoming popular?

[Makkuroi]

Recently on Thelanis Ive seen several builds with 12 fvs and 6 wiz (and 2 splash, pally or monk or even trapper). Whats this all about? New Flavor of the month? I assume its an AOV shiradi/energy burst build (cha or int based), but what are the advantages compared to 16 wiz 2 fvs 2 monk? Not being warforged?

Are there any builds for this split in the forums? I only found a fvs shiradi build with one or two wiz levels so far. Going int-based with insightful reflexes seems an interesting idea.

[DrWily]

6 Wizzy gives you Magic Missile and Chain Missiles as SLAs (as well as actual spells), which is nice synergy with Scourge/Just Reward. Going 6 Wizard also gives you 3 Lv3 Spells (Displacement/Rage/Haste). The 12 FvS gives you Heal which is likely the only reason many builds stay at 12 FvS.

[Ancient]

6 Wizzy gives you Magic Missile and Chain Missiles as SLAs (as well as actual spells), which is nice synergy with Scourge/Just Reward. Going 6 Wizard also gives you 3 Lv3 Spells (Displacement/Rage/Haste). The 12 FvS gives you Heal which is likely the only reason many builds stay at 12 FvS.

Archon is nice too.

[-Zyxas-]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...s-Build-Thread for "FotM"ness.
Some sort of good defense (saves, reflex from insightful or all from paladin; and self-cast displace), Deathward and FoM (without Kundarak Warding Boots/Orcish Privateer's Boots/eternal flask for FoM, and Visor of the Flesh Render Guards/Eveningstar clerics potions/eternal flask for DW). Basically all of the good Wizard things for a shiradi (Magic Missles SLA and spell at full number of hits; T5 Archmage for Arcane Supremacy). All of the good FvS things for Shiradi (Scourge, Just Reward, AND 4% extra crit and the caster levels), plus more FvS for some group (fleshy) support.
I've also seen many of these on Thelanis.

[Makkuroi]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...s-Build-Thread for "FotM"ness.
Some sort of good defense (saves, reflex from insightful or all from paladin; and self-cast displace), Deathward and FoM (without Kundarak Warding Boots/Orcish Privateer's Boots/eternal flask for FoM, and Visor of the Flesh Render Guards/Eveningstar clerics potions/eternal flask for DW). Basically all of the good Wizard things for a shiradi (Magic Missles SLA and spell at full number of hits; T5 Archmage for Arcane Supremacy). All of the good FvS things for Shiradi (Scourge, Just Reward, AND 4% extra crit and the caster levels), plus more FvS for some group (fleshy) support.
I've also seen many of these on Thelanis.

Thanks for this, thats exactly what i was looking for, discussing the Pal, Monk (or even Barb) splashes. The discussion about the 30 DR docent was also insightful.

Of course I was aware of the shiradi/archmage/AoV mechanics and the advantages of 6 wiz, I was mostly curious about the FVS base instead of a wiz/recon base. FoM and Deathward are of course useful. I was surprised people go Bladeforged with this, but its mostly about the docent. Is there a fleshy variant, especially for those not going pally? Monk or Barb variant probably go human?

Actually its pretty interesting, you can be a great shiradi with 6 wiz and 4 fvs and nothing else (well, still need self-heals somehow), and can do whatever you want with the other levels. Any Ideas for ridiculous shiradi builds? Shiradi swashbuckler maybe for total OP-ness , or shiradi barb just for irritating people.

[Eth]

I was surprised people go Bladeforged with this, but its mostly about the docent.

The docent? You can craft the same as heavy armor.
Reason for bladeforged is that at 12 FvS you can't get Heal and BB, you have to chose one. The bladeforged variant doesn't really need heal and can pick up bladebarrier that way. BF is a cheap option to get potent healing through the reconstruct SLA.

Other than that there are of course the immunities BF get and higher fortification, which always help with gear slots and twists.

[Makkuroi]

Ah ok... but if youre healing with recon anyway and immune to level drain, you could just go more wizard instead of fvs... but still, BF is just a great package if you happen to include paladin levels anyway. One FVS advantage I found was dealing with stat damage, which is only pot/scroll based on a recon base. (I remember soloing Kai-Teng on a fresh bladeforged melee without pots/scrolls "shudder")

If Id make that build Id go int-based human monk splash probably. At low lvls staff melee with eldritch knight+henshin mystic. The BF pally version might get even more interesting with the MRR changes.

[Nodoze]

Interesting Thread and right up the alley of something I was wanting to research/understand. Note that I also posted similar questions on secure's thread and plan to subscribe to both so no need to response twice...

Currently I am enjoying playing in Shiradi on a max dex evasion/trapper/wizard self repair thrower build and was interested in maybe trying a spell-based-shiradi to see how I like spell based verses thrower-based-shiradi.

I like being able to do traps/locks when solo or in a party and would prefer to not give up Evasion with a decent reflex save.

Anyone post any builds for Int based options like 12FvS/6Wiz/2Rogue with Insightful Reflexes for Evasion & have any insight on how that worked out on EE?

I would be especially interested in learning about Fleshies with Heal or a LR+1 Bladeforged with Recon SLA and BB.

Also curious how this split in Shiradi compares pro/con-wise to a more wizard based repair focused platform like 14 wiz/4FvS/2Rogue or 16wiz/2FvS/2Rogue (going WarForged or Bladeforged for Repairing instead). I had initially started thinking about an 18Wiz/2Rogue like in the old days for Shiradi but the free mana from FvS intrigues me.

[Makkuroi]

Interesting Thread and right up the alley of something I was wanting to research/understand. Note that I also posted similar questions on secure's thread and plan to subscribe to both so no need to response twice...

Currently I am enjoying playing in Shiradi on a max dex evasion/trapper/wizard self repair thrower build and was interested in maybe trying a spell-based-shiradi to see how I like spell based verses thrower-based-shiradi.

I like being able to do traps/locks when solo or in a party and would prefer to not give up Evasion with a decent reflex save.

Anyone post any builds for Int based options like 12FvS/6Wiz/2Rogue with Insightful Reflexes for Evasion & have any insight on how that worked out on EE?

I would be especially interested in learning about Fleshies with Heal or a LR+1 Bladeforged with Recon SLA and BB.

Also curious how this split in Shiradi compares pro/con-wise to a more wizard based repair focused platform like 14 wiz/4FvS/2Rogue or 16wiz/2FvS/2Rogue (going WarForged or Bladeforged for Repairing instead). I had initially started thinking about an 18Wiz/2Rogue like in the old days for Shiradi but the free mana from FvS intrigues me.

EE powergamers will prefer 2 monk instead of 2 rogue for stances, feats and dodge, but rogue would go well with int-based fvs. Probably not easy on lower levels due to low damage output, but TR gear should work around that a bit.

here a little comparison from what i gathered so far:

pros of 12/6/2 fvs base
-can deal with stat damage without scrolls
-slightly better saves and hp
-deathward and fom
-Archon
-should go fleshie (many people dont like WF look, affected by healamp, extra feat if human)
-fvs past life (interesting for me since I got 3 wiz past lives already)

pros of wiz recon base
-higher lvl wizard spells like dancing ball, DBFB, Icestorm, Firewall
-warforged immunities, no healing amp penalty
-wiz past life
-simpler leveling
-less reliance on +caster level enhancements/items

14/4/2 vs 16/2/2: lvl 8 spells arent too interesting for wizards, 4% crit chance, slightly more HP, +1 caster level

I wouldnt get +1 hearts for a bladeforged, so bladeforged could only be 12 fvs 6 wiz 2 pally for me. No evasion but great saves, and cha-based of course.

[Purkilius]

The build originally came from Teth then Sestra and Sith made variants and duo´ed EE fire peaks.

I had a helf 14 sorc 4 fvs 2 monk and tr´ed into the int based BF monk variant and I must say that when arcane supremacy procs and you are lucky with tea you are seeing some very cool numbers and the sp efficiency is huge.

I would not go human with this build just because of blade barrier is that good.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I've got a couple of these.. am based on Thelanis too so you may have run into me OP - your toon & guild certainly looks familiar One is a human, the 2 levels are monk, and it's shiradi caster based, using AoV, archmage & a little in warpriest for extra resilience plus a point in each henshin & shintao since its a great return for only 2 AP... the other is bladeforged, paladin for the 2 levels & combines warpriest, eldritch knight, just a touch of AoV & some racial stuff, almost entirely melee using greatsword, they're both a lot of fun but in very different ways - am particularly looking forward to u23 for that one since he'll get some handy MRR too to make up for the lack of evasion.

[Nightmanis]

The build originally came from Teth then Sestra and Sith made variants and duo´ed EE fire peaks.

I had a helf 14 sorc 4 fvs 2 monk and tr´ed into the int based BF monk variant and I must say that when arcane supremacy procs and you are lucky with tea you are seeing some very cool numbers and the sp efficiency is huge.

I would not go human with this build just because of blade barrier is that good.

It might just be me, but I'd still go human and just use cure critical. If I really need the extra benefits of heal I can throw a scroll real fast.

[Purkilius]

It might just be me, but I'd still go human and just use cure critical. If I really need the extra benefits of heal I can throw a scroll real fast.

Will work well, just capped this build and it is awesome, the lr +1 heart was not fun...

Maxing preform and slotting sonic spell power really takes shiradi to another level

[Saekee]

Check out this variant: Yeela
Makes up the loss of wiz levels by using Abishai set and other varied gear, so still gets 5 missiles. Very clever...

[Nodoze]

Will work well, just capped this build and it is awesome, the lr +1 heart was not fun...

Maxing preform and slotting sonic spell power really takes shiradi to another level

Was the LR+1 for an Iconic PDK or something?

What race & Level Split did you go with (including on the +2 splash)?

I was thinking of doing a BladeForged 12Fvs/6Wiz/2Pal like in the linked build from Secure and wasn't planning on a LR+1 so I wanted to make sure I hadn't miss something.

EDIT: Just for reference I am actually thinking of doing the following 2 Shiradi Casters:

• - 12FvS/6Wiz/2Pal for leaving at cap for Raiding (hopefully it can off heal as a bonus role) as a BladeForged based off of Secure's build;
• - 16Wiz/2FvS/2Rogue on my multi-purpose sometimes solo epic Reincarnation 20->28 treadmill character based off of Ancient's build; On this one I plan to go 'Robot' (possibly BladeForged via +1) to be able to try Palemaster healing but be able to switch back to self-repairs if I hate undead-self-heals...

My hope is that both will be strong Shiradi casters giving me slightly different experiences and have some additional roles/utility beside just DPS;

[Nightmanis]

Will work well, just capped this build and it is awesome, the lr +1 heart was not fun...

Maxing preform and slotting sonic spell power really takes shiradi to another level

One big thing I'm curious about on the build is if you went with a more wisdom based build to make BB a more viable solution (less likely for reflex saves) how effective would it be? I watched Sith's version running EE Breaking the Ranks, and while it was completely useless against the Shadar kai it seemed incredibly effective against the other enemies. Is it really truly better to just dump the DC and go with the designs stated in this thread? Could it be even more viable with a traditional FVS evoker stat spread, even with the loss of 8 levels?