12fvs/6wiz builds becoming popular?

[Makkuroi]

Recently on Thelanis Ive seen several builds with 12 fvs and 6 wiz (and 2 splash, pally or monk or even trapper). Whats this all about? New Flavor of the month? I assume its an AOV shiradi/energy burst build (cha or int based), but what are the advantages compared to 16 wiz 2 fvs 2 monk? Not being warforged?

Are there any builds for this split in the forums? I only found a fvs shiradi build with one or two wiz levels so far. Going int-based with insightful reflexes seems an interesting idea.

[DrWily]

6 Wizzy gives you Magic Missile and Chain Missiles as SLAs (as well as actual spells), which is nice synergy with Scourge/Just Reward. Going 6 Wizard also gives you 3 Lv3 Spells (Displacement/Rage/Haste). The 12 FvS gives you Heal which is likely the only reason many builds stay at 12 FvS.

[Ancient]

6 Wizzy gives you Magic Missile and Chain Missiles as SLAs (as well as actual spells), which is nice synergy with Scourge/Just Reward. Going 6 Wizard also gives you 3 Lv3 Spells (Displacement/Rage/Haste). The 12 FvS gives you Heal which is likely the only reason many builds stay at 12 FvS.

Archon is nice too.

[-Zyxas-]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...s-Build-Thread for "FotM"ness.
Some sort of good defense (saves, reflex from insightful or all from paladin; and self-cast displace), Deathward and FoM (without Kundarak Warding Boots/Orcish Privateer's Boots/eternal flask for FoM, and Visor of the Flesh Render Guards/Eveningstar clerics potions/eternal flask for DW). Basically all of the good Wizard things for a shiradi (Magic Missles SLA and spell at full number of hits; T5 Archmage for Arcane Supremacy). All of the good FvS things for Shiradi (Scourge, Just Reward, AND 4% extra crit and the caster levels), plus more FvS for some group (fleshy) support.
I've also seen many of these on Thelanis.

[Makkuroi]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...s-Build-Thread for "FotM"ness.
Some sort of good defense (saves, reflex from insightful or all from paladin; and self-cast displace), Deathward and FoM (without Kundarak Warding Boots/Orcish Privateer's Boots/eternal flask for FoM, and Visor of the Flesh Render Guards/Eveningstar clerics potions/eternal flask for DW). Basically all of the good Wizard things for a shiradi (Magic Missles SLA and spell at full number of hits; T5 Archmage for Arcane Supremacy). All of the good FvS things for Shiradi (Scourge, Just Reward, AND 4% extra crit and the caster levels), plus more FvS for some group (fleshy) support.
I've also seen many of these on Thelanis.

Thanks for this, thats exactly what i was looking for, discussing the Pal, Monk (or even Barb) splashes. The discussion about the 30 DR docent was also insightful.

Of course I was aware of the shiradi/archmage/AoV mechanics and the advantages of 6 wiz, I was mostly curious about the FVS base instead of a wiz/recon base. FoM and Deathward are of course useful. I was surprised people go Bladeforged with this, but its mostly about the docent. Is there a fleshy variant, especially for those not going pally? Monk or Barb variant probably go human?

Actually its pretty interesting, you can be a great shiradi with 6 wiz and 4 fvs and nothing else (well, still need self-heals somehow), and can do whatever you want with the other levels. Any Ideas for ridiculous shiradi builds? Shiradi swashbuckler maybe for total OP-ness , or shiradi barb just for irritating people.

[Eth]

I was surprised people go Bladeforged with this, but its mostly about the docent.

The docent? You can craft the same as heavy armor.
Reason for bladeforged is that at 12 FvS you can't get Heal and BB, you have to chose one. The bladeforged variant doesn't really need heal and can pick up bladebarrier that way. BF is a cheap option to get potent healing through the reconstruct SLA.

Other than that there are of course the immunities BF get and higher fortification, which always help with gear slots and twists.

[Makkuroi]

Ah ok... but if youre healing with recon anyway and immune to level drain, you could just go more wizard instead of fvs... but still, BF is just a great package if you happen to include paladin levels anyway. One FVS advantage I found was dealing with stat damage, which is only pot/scroll based on a recon base. (I remember soloing Kai-Teng on a fresh bladeforged melee without pots/scrolls "shudder")

If Id make that build Id go int-based human monk splash probably. At low lvls staff melee with eldritch knight+henshin mystic. The BF pally version might get even more interesting with the MRR changes.