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    Default Little help with an LR

    I have been on the TR train with a partner, but they're gone. I'm level 10, and... you know, last time I was the boring practical one with the rock solid toon. This time, I was doing something goofy because I could get away with it, and feel like tissue paper without hardy backup.

    My current life is as a Warforged Rogue 2 / Ranger 6 / Wizard 2. (I was looking at a scamming a Wizard PL off of an Arcane Archer build mostly for cheap Displacement and whimsy, plus I promised to cover traps. The idea was to rush to 20 and TR again if it sucked super hard. It was going fine with help.)

    I have a +3 Lesser Heart, and want to flip to a Monkcher for lack of more creative ideas - this is my first time using Manyshot, and I want 10K Stars to go with it. Sounds like fun.

    My current resources are:
    * 36 point build with +4 tomes across the board.
    * Sorc and Arti PLs
    * Mediocre gear. I'm not hurting for the basics - Cannith crafted trapmonkey stuff, Eveningstar commendation things. I have never participated in a DDO raid or EE content though, so there's really nothing to write home about in here.

    If possible, I would like to be able to contribute to epic content. If not, I'll just TR and play smarter next time.

    If anybody could point to a full build for me to look over, I'd be appreciative.

    Failing that, I'm mostly stuck on stuff like:
    * Do I need Overwhelming Critical, or can I dump it and go Precision?
    * Should I grab Combat Archery?
    * How much Wisdom do I need to make 10K Stars work properly?

    I know the whole deal is a little suboptimal, so I'm open to suggestions other than Monkcher. That said, I want to focus primarily on ranged combat and retain full trapping.
    Last edited by Badamarth; 08-11-2014 at 11:11 PM.

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    Do you remember what order you took the levels? That would make a difference with the LR build.

    Are you Lawful? If not, you'll have to buy an Alignment Change before you LR if you want Monk levels.

    I'd skip Overwhelming Critical on a ranged build, it's not worth the useless prerequisites. Note that it might not require prerequisites in the future, but that's not final.
    I'd take combat archery, if you have the dex.
    More wisdom the better, but it's still good if your wisdom isn't huge.

    Geoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffWatson View Post
    Do you remember what order you took the levels? That would make a difference with the LR build.

    Are you Lawful? If not, you'll have to buy an Alignment Change before you LR if you want Monk levels.

    I'd skip Overwhelming Critical on a ranged build, it's not worth the useless prerequisites. Note that it might not require prerequisites in the future, but that's not final.
    I'd take combat archery, if you have the dex.
    More wisdom the better, but it's still good if your wisdom isn't huge.

    Geoff.
    I picked up a Lawful alignment change to facilitate this, then popped the heart, then realized I wasn't actually sure what I was doing and bounced here.

    This has not been a good week.

    I'm not absolutely *certain* of prior leveling order, but I think it went:

    1st: Rogue
    2nd: Ranger
    3rd: Ranger
    4th: Wizard
    5th: Rogue
    6th - 9th: Ranger
    10th: Wizard

    I was assuming I'd wipe out both Wizard levels and a Rogue level, since Ranger 9 or Monk 2 unlocks Evasion anyway. (After edit: I realize that since I'm a triple class, I can't fold in Monk without a second heart. If I need Monk 12, I'd do that. If not, I'd prefer not to spend the TP. I no longer care which PL I pick up at this point - I'd rather just be able to enjoy heroic content again.)

    Re: Feat questions -
    Good to know. PA/Cleave/GCleave feels really steep here, especially because I was thinking about the Dodge chain to help mitigate my newfound squishiness.
    Last edited by Badamarth; 08-12-2014 at 06:35 PM.

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    Wizard last limits your options.

    To go to Rogue/Ranger/Monk, you'll have to go:

    1st: Rogue,
    2nd-9th: Ranger,
    10th: Monk.

    Then take more Monk as you level up (at least until 6th), then either Ranger or Monk, depending on which Past Life you want (maybe a bit more Rogue to keep up the skills).

    Geoff.

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    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.01
    DDO Character Planner Home Page
    
    Fix Build 
    Level 24 Lawful Good Warforged Male
    (7 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 11 Ranger \ 4 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 356
    Spell Points: 265 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 18
    Reflex: 23
    Will: 15
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 24)
    Strength             12                    16
    Dexterity            16                    21
    Constitution         16                    22
    Intelligence         14                    18
    Wisdom               14                    25
    Charisma              6                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 24)
    Balance               7                    29
    Bluff                -2                     4
    Concentration         5                    35
    Diplomacy            -2                     4
    Disable Device        6                    32
    Haggle                2                     8
    Heal                  4                    14
    Hide                  3                     9
    Intimidate           -2                     4
    Jump                  4                    13
    Listen                2                    14
    Move Silently         3                     9
    Open Lock             7                    19
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                2                     9
    Search                6                    35
    Spellcraft            2                     8
    Spot                  6                    37
    Swim                  1                     7
    Tumble                4                    13
    Use Magic Device      2                    28
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 2 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Precision
    
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility
    Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
    
    
    Level 14 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 15 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
    
    
    Level 16 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Ten Thousand Stars
    
    
    Level 17 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
    
    
    Level 18 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
    
    
    Level 19 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery
    
    
    Level 22 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 23 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 24 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Metalline Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Corrosive Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Force Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Frost Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Terror Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Terror Arrows (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Soul Magic (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shock Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Paralyzing  Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Paralyzing  Arrows (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Moonbow (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arrow of Slaying (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Runebow (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Arbalester (Rank 1)
    Does this look sensible, then?

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