Paladin 14/FVS 4/Monk 2

[maddong]

I'm thinking robes/light armor with evasion, dual deathknips/balizardes, tier 5 defender for the prr/mrr (36 ap), and ameliorating strike (22 ap).

Paladin 14/FVS 4/Monk 2

But what race? I'm thinking you need to be fleshy to maximize ameliorating. Then the racial enh are competing with kotc.... Human for damage boost?

[Munkenmo]

I'm thinking robes/light armor with evasion, dual deathknips/balizardes, tier 5 defender for the prr/mrr (36 ap), and ameliorating strike (22 ap).

Paladin 14/FVS 4/Monk 2

But what race? I'm thinking you need to be fleshy to maximize ameliorating. Then the racial enh are competing with kotc.... Human for damage boost?

If you're going melee and aren't making a throwing weapon build, there are very few builds where anything competes with Human.

for your build here where no race has weapon synergy with deathnips human definately looks like the best choice.

[Wipey]

Levelling 15/2 monk/3 ranger with Coronations ( later Mornhs ), I am getting like 110- 130 from non metaed CMW ( 8sp ), 220 ish devo at lvl 14. Kotc gives good amp though.
For comparison I was getting ( unreliable ) 2x 50-60 ish from Ameliorating on barbie life.

Not sure Ameliorating is worth it on class with inherent good self healing.
And to be honest, when you need healing the most, you will cast CMW/CSW/Lay/Cocoon, not gonna hit monsters to heal when you are at 1/5 hp.
At least that's my experience.

[Spoonwelder]

Levelling 15/2 monk/3 ranger with Coronations ( later Mornhs ), I am getting like 110- 130 from non metaed CMW ( 8sp ), 220 ish devo at lvl 14. Kotc gives good amp though.
For comparison I was getting ( unreliable ) 2x 50-60 ish from Ameliorating on barbie life.

Not sure Ameliorating is worth it on class with inherent good self healing.
And to be honest, when you need healing the most, you will cast CMW/CSW/Lay/Cocoon, not gonna hit monsters to heal when you are at 1/5 hp.
At least that's my experience.

I did a cleric life a while back using warpriest (12/6/2 Cleric,Fighter,Pal) - went dual wield so I could get double procs from Am. Strike. I easily got 150ish per proc and regularily proc'd 2 times (based no TWF procs) sometimes 3 times if doublestrike also proc'd. I found this was enough to keep my HP topped up almost all the time and only used Heal or other healing options in dire emergencies or on people outside radius of Am. Strike. Has there been a change and it doesn't double proc anymore?

The reason I ask is I am planning a 14/4/2 Pal/FVS/Mo or if the armor changes go live then 14/4/2 Pal/FVS/Ra (ranger for the twf feats and some weak ranged options) - if Am. Strike isn't going to double proc then I may drop the cleric option.

[Shaude]

I did a cleric life a while back using warpriest (12/6/2 Cleric,Fighter,Pal) - went dual wield so I could get double procs from Am. Strike. I easily got 150ish per proc and regularily proc'd 2 times (based no TWF procs) sometimes 3 times if doublestrike also proc'd. I found this was enough to keep my HP topped up almost all the time and only used Heal or other healing options in dire emergencies or on people outside radius of Am. Strike. Has there been a change and it doesn't double proc anymore?

The reason I ask is I am planning a 14/4/2 Pal/FVS/Mo or if the armor changes go live then 14/4/2 Pal/FVS/Ra (ranger for the twf feats and some weak ranged options) - if Am. Strike isn't going to double proc then I may drop the cleric option.

as far as i know it still works, but not sure its worth the ap for a build with good self healing already pally and monk and if human a little ap and you would have quite a bit of heal amp/positive so your heals would be quite good. guess it depends on what you want this build to do? i ran a first life 14 pally 6 monk and heals were quite good prr was decent to good but dps was a bit low.

[Wipey]

I played four martial lives with Ameliorating strike Barbarian a month or so ago.
As you said, 2x250 at cap on human ( 138 devo aug, human amp, all that jazz ).
EDIT : I guess I was wrong about double strike, at least two other people whose opinion I trust are saying that it does work with Ameliorating.
Empower Heal also doesn't work with it.

Of course only 80% off hand, or mob can move or you miss ( this happens SO often, especially with twf short range and I think no off hand strike when moving at all ) so it can be 0x0.
I think it works great in heroics and easy stuff, but the whole principle of "gotta hit mob when you need healing the most" just doesn't work well in practice in higher level epic elites and such.
Maybe it can work for you, it's too unreliable imo.

I wouldn't consider it on Ranger or Pally, you can ( and should ) build for CMW or CSW, with Cocoon or Lay on Hands.
Properly build, CSW is uninterruptable 300-500 ( depending on Metas, Pally past lives and such ) healing.
Can't wait to see how my current Kotc Pally's CSW will be at cap.

[maddong]

I have a cleric 8/rogue 6/monk 6 who uses shadow double and procs triple ameliorating strikes so doublestrike does work. Someone posted in another thread that if you are moving when clicking a special attack with twf (I'm assuming non monk special attacks) that you don't get the offhand proc. So maybe that is affecting people's experience?

So even with 50% damage from PRR ameliorating strike won't cut it with amp and devotion?

[Chimeran1]

Properly build, CSW is uninterruptable 300-500 ( depending on Metas, Pally past lives and such ) healing.
Can't wait to see how my current Kotc Pally's CSW will be at cap.

Or as a Bladeforge with an artificers ring or repair built into a Thunderforged weapon you can easly self repair instantly for 800-1200hp

Human...meh.. Nothing comes close to Bladeforge as a Paladin or any self repair/healer
3 x Bladeforge past lies = +30 repair, racial bonuses to repair , racial repair amp, self repair, power of the forge, weapon attachment, racial seeker.

Welcome to the new Terminator chassis, flesh is for the weak.

[Uska]

Or as a Bladeforge with an artificers ring or repair built into a Thunderforged weapon you can easly self repair instantly for 800-1200hp

Human...meh.. Nothing comes close to Bladeforge as a Paladin or any self repair/healer
3 x Bladeforge past lies = +30 repair, racial bonuses to repair , racial repair amp, self repair, power of the forge, weapon attachment, racial seeker.

Welcome to the new Terminator chassis, flesh is for the weak.

I don't know my drow paladin can heal,himself instantly and with the up coming changes likely won't need as much and his lay on hands heals for a bunch of course 3 pal lie past lives helps

[Zachski]

Or as a Bladeforge with an artificers ring or repair built into a Thunderforged weapon you can easly self repair instantly for 800-1200hp

Human...meh.. Nothing comes close to Bladeforge as a Paladin or any self repair/healer
3 x Bladeforge past lies = +30 repair, racial bonuses to repair , racial repair amp, self repair, power of the forge, weapon attachment, racial seeker.

Welcome to the new Terminator chassis, flesh is for the weak.

And it's this exact reason why I won't buy Bladeforged :/