S&B End Game EE Solos - no blitz, no ranged, no evasion

[Wongar]

These were done with a pure melee S&B build - no offensive spells and no ranged attacks.
Destinies used were US and DC
Destinies and enhancements are shown in the screen shots

The build is not in line with most of the current thoughts on what is required to be EE capable:

S&B build
no ranged feats, enhancements, destinies
no offensive spells
no evasion
no UMD (85% ASF)
low dodge (5%)
no fast movement
no action boosts
not required to be in LD and blitzing

I don't typically run for speed, I play to kill things For the most part, I think even without going for speed, the times are reasonable. The WGU time is unseasonably long dues to the end fight mechanics being very unfavorable to my playstyle and me taking several breaks. Precious Cargo also took longer because it was only the 3rd time I had ever run the quest - still learning the mechanics.


Summary

Breaking The Ranks - 65 min, 176 mobs killed, flawless
Devil Assault - 47 min, 206 mobs killed, flawless
End of the Road - 28 min, 104 mobs killed, flawless
Precious Cargo - 101 min, 134 mobs killed, 1 death
Through a Mirror - 43 min, 144 mobs killed, flawless
TOR - 42 min, 78 mobs killed, flawless
What Goes Up - 243 min*, 475 mobs killed, 1 death
* I did not spend 4 hours in quest - took several breaks due to how tedious the end fight is

Flawless on Breaking The Ranks, Precious Cargo, and WGU requires a good bit of luck. I think it is important to have 0 deaths in Breaking The Ranks because if you die you can simply let the dragon kill everything for you. In the other two, the deaths don't really make it easier and I think a single death in each does not detract significantly from showing viability.

Death in Precious Cargo was due to being knocked down in the cannon room - that room was brutal...
Death in WGU was due to being stunned back-to-back-to-back...


Breaking The Ranks





DA





End of the Road





Precious Cargo





Through a Mirror





TOR





What Goes Up

[Minrothad]

If you plan to hide your identity from this thread, I would recommend that you erase your name from the loot window

Either way, congrats.

[Lifespawn]

it seems like your hiding your stats on the right side there I would like to see your hp and saves along with class levels

[unbongwah]

Since you didn't post your build, allow me to try to reverse-engineer it as a mental exercise.

Race: dwarf (duh)
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: FvS 12 / ftr 6 / pal 2 (FvS is obvious from Heal spell; you need at least ftr 6 to take defensive stance; and your spell list indicates you have a pally splash)
Feats (14 total): Power Atk, Cleave, GC, IC:Slash, Overwhelming Crit, Shield Mastery, ISM, Imp Shield Bash, Quicken, Emp Heal - that leaves 4, I would guess you took the THF chain as well.
ED feats: PTHF and ???

In any case, congrats on your accomplishments, but I'm not sure what this proves other than if you're a melee Warpriest with good gear, high saves & tons of self-healing, you can solo anything, even as a "gimpy" S&B toon w/out Evasion or racial heal amp.

BTW, how badly will the proposed changes to Div Grace hurt your saves?

[Wongar]

Since you didn't post your build, allow me to try to reverse-engineer it as a mental exercise.
Race: dwarf (duh)
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: FvS 12 / ftr 6 / pal 2 (FvS is obvious from Heal spell; you need at least ftr 6 to take defensive stance; and your spell list indicates you have a pally splash)
Feats (14 total): Power Atk, Cleave, GC, IC:Slash, Overwhelming Crit, Shield Mastery, ISM, Imp Shield Bash, Quicken, Emp Heal - that leaves 4, I would guess you took the THF chain as well.
ED feats: PTHF and ???

In any case, congrats on your accomplishments, but I'm not sure what this proves other than if you're a melee Warpriest with good gear, high saves & tons of self-healing, you can solo anything, even as a "gimpy" S&B toon w/out Evasion or racial heal amp.

BTW, how badly will the proposed changes to Div Grace hurt your saves?

You pretty much have it.
Feats: THF chain & extend. Usually have shield deflection but it's only useful if tanking in a group so I switched it our to extend for convenience, can't kill things when your blocking
ED: PTWF for double strike

And yes - I have found the only way to melee in EE is to have a healer strapped to your back - if you want to solo you have to be the healer so you need lots of self healing. 12 levels of FVS for healing and buffs just to stay alive – cost a lot of DPS on paper but allows you to stand and fight a bit longer.

The Div Grace change will hurt saves some, but mine are not stellar to begin with so not sure how much difference it will actually make. MRR will more than make up for reduction in Reflex saves - just really need to worry abut stuns...

it seems like your hiding your stats on the right side there I would like to see your hp and saves along with class levels

Not trying to hide stats – just reduce the occurrences of my in game name

They vary a bit based on destiny / gear. This is how I was set up for the WGU run:

[Lifespawn]

excellent thanks looks good solid build love the shadow dragon armor on my tanky caster as well nothing really beats 60 dr epic.

[ReaperAlexEU]

could you do a breakdown of your gear please? i think a lot of it could apply to my S&B paly

also what past life stuff would you say is a must have?

i'm not sure how far i'll be able to take my pure paly, for a start i don't have the heal spell or the war priests healing smite ability. so that puts my self healing quite a bit behind. but i'd still like to see just how far i can get. i'm thinking right now my gear is the weakest point.

i managed to get to the third wave in EE DA which i'd have been happier about if it hadn't been so cheesy at the end with me running round trying to heal while purification whittled them down and my paly heal on incap picked me up far more times than the number of turn undead attempts indicates it could have.

looking at the damage i was taking 60 DR would have helped a lot, not sure if it would have tipped the balance but higher AC and PRR combined with that DR might give me a good boost so i can stand and fight for longer. so aside from spotting the shadow dragon armour, what else boosts your defences?

how do you get devotion and fire on your items for healing and consecration? also do you slot any lore items in? right now i swap to a devotion stick (114 with 18% crits or 120 with no crits) when i need to focus on healing. i have a 114 fire gem in my purple dragon shield for consecration.

[Wongar]

could you do a breakdown of your gear please? i think a lot of it could apply to my S&B paly

also what past life stuff would you say is a must have?

i'm not sure how far i'll be able to take my pure paly, for a start i don't have the heal spell or the war priests healing smite ability. so that puts my self healing quite a bit behind. but i'd still like to see just how far i can get. i'm thinking right now my gear is the weakest point.

i managed to get to the third wave in EE DA which i'd have been happier about if it hadn't been so cheesy at the end with me running round trying to heal while purification whittled them down and my paly heal on incap picked me up far more times than the number of turn undead attempts indicates it could have.

looking at the damage i was taking 60 DR would have helped a lot, not sure if it would have tipped the balance but higher AC and PRR combined with that DR might give me a good boost so i can stand and fight for longer. so aside from spotting the shadow dragon armour, what else boosts your defences?

how do you get devotion and fire on your items for healing and consecration? also do you slot any lore items in? right now i swap to a devotion stick (114 with 18% crits or 120 with no crits) when i need to focus on healing. i have a 114 fire gem in my purple dragon shield for consecration.

I'll go for a few quick answers, I am thinking I should post the full build as there is quite a bit of interest in it so if I don't get everything answered here I will work on it.

"Essential" Named Gear I'd recommend working towards
- Shadow Guardian Plate - the DR 60 is a big help
- Tier 2 Thunderforge BSward or DAx

- PDK shield, preferably upgraded
- Jorgundal's Collar for melee alacrity and striding
(best speed item till you can get this)
- Gauntlets of Immortality - for Devotion and Healing Lore
(Purple Dragon Gauntlets are easy to get sub)
- Sage's Spectacles - fire lore and combustion when in DC
swap out for Drow Smoke Goggles when not using fire damage
swap out for other things as needed
Displacement clickys are always nice, I would also recommend a perm 20% blur item (I get this from FVS)
Put the best offensive augments you can into your weapon and shield - you need all the help you can get

For DA in particular you may want to try it in US as a lot of damage from DC is fire based and much of the stuff in DA likes fire Also Renewal will help a good amount with healing.
Likewise a weapon that does fire damage is not as useful
Make sure you can break DR - makes a lot of difference in EEs, especially for a lower DPS build
Make sure you have good Fire Absorb - twist Energy Sheath Fire if you can or get a red Prismatic Cloak

Priority for Epic Past life feats is 3 Martial for Doublestrike and 3 Primal for Colors of the Queen. I currently have 16 epic past lifes and these are by far the ones I find most useful.

And don't feel bad about struggling with the EE DA - it is one of the hardest ones for your build.

[ReaperAlexEU]

I'll go for a few quick answers, I am thinking I should post the full build as there is quite a bit of interest in it so if I don't get everything answered here I will work on it.

"Essential" Named Gear I'd recommend working towards
- Shadow Guardian Plate - the DR 60 is a big help
- Tier 2 Thunderforge BSward or DAx

- PDK shield, preferably upgraded
- Jorgundal's Collar for melee alacrity and striding
(best speed item till you can get this)
- Gauntlets of Immortality - for Devotion and Healing Lore
(Purple Dragon Gauntlets are easy to get sub)
- Sage's Spectacles - fire lore and combustion when in DC
swap out for Drow Smoke Goggles when not using fire damage
swap out for other things as needed
Displacement clickys are always nice, I would also recommend a perm 20% blur item (I get this from FVS)
Put the best offensive augments you can into your weapon and shield - you need all the help you can get

For DA in particular you may want to try it in US as a lot of damage from DC is fire based and much of the stuff in DA likes fire Also Renewal will help a good amount with healing.
Likewise a weapon that does fire damage is not as useful
Make sure you can break DR - makes a lot of difference in EEs, especially for a lower DPS build
Make sure you have good Fire Absorb - twist Energy Sheath Fire if you can or get a red Prismatic Cloak

Priority for Epic Past life feats is 3 Martial for Doublestrike and 3 Primal for Colors of the Queen. I currently have 16 epic past lifes and these are by far the ones I find most useful.

And don't feel bad about struggling with the EE DA - it is one of the hardest ones for your build.

wow, love the 60 DR

just got on to the final wave of EE DA. the bearded devils still hit like trucks but a bit of shuffling about to avoid being surrounded let me wear them down to the point a few dropped then my consecration healed me enough to tank the rest. i did have to fight with my devotion stick (forgotten light) though, but that's fine as i still have a lot of work to do on this char.

went down to the first wave in the final part. i thought the orthons were punching through my defences but it turns out it was mostly fire dmg with a horrid wilting to finish me off (after being stunned of course, they don't let you off easy).

so i think i'll work my way over to DI for that energy sheath, that would have left me with a lot more HP to play with.

thanks for the tips so far, looking forward to seeing the build in full.

oh and i wasn't disappointed with how far i got first time, it was more the cheese i didn't like. i'd got to the point where i was getting hammered so much the only thing keeping me alive was eternal defender, and while i like having it for an oops moment it did feel cheesy when it became my main source of healing! especially given the fact it didn't seem to be eating up my turn undeads. it did save my butt quite a bit this time, but at least it wasn't chain healing me like last time.

back to the items, does melee alacrity stack with blinding speed? i do have a 10% melee alacrity item but i've switched it out as my melee attack speed on the char sheet doesn't change now i have blinding speed. kinda hoping it doesn't stack cos i do love my torc and conc-op

what stance would you use for US? i'm thinking stand against the tide for when the kittens are bouncing about, and unbreakable for the PRR at other times. just a bit loathed to give up on DC as even without the fire dmg it still adds a lot to my DPS. the cleaves still do 400+ on the teiflings and the good dmg and 10% phys dmg on consecrate still works on the other mobs. then there is the purification dmg and i was keeping zeal of the righteousness on cooldown instead of saving it for boss fights (on account of not knowing if i'd make it to a boss fight )

[Wongar]

wow, love the 60 DR

just got on to the final wave of EE DA. the bearded devils still hit like trucks but a bit of shuffling about to avoid being surrounded let me wear them down to the point a few dropped then my consecration healed me enough to tank the rest. i did have to fight with my devotion stick (forgotten light) though, but that's fine as i still have a lot of work to do on this char.

went down to the first wave in the final part. i thought the orthons were punching through my defences but it turns out it was mostly fire dmg with a horrid wilting to finish me off (after being stunned of course, they don't let you off easy).

so i think i'll work my way over to DI for that energy sheath, that would have left me with a lot more HP to play with.

thanks for the tips so far, looking forward to seeing the build in full.

oh and i wasn't disappointed with how far i got first time, it was more the cheese i didn't like. i'd got to the point where i was getting hammered so much the only thing keeping me alive was eternal defender, and while i like having it for an oops moment it did feel cheesy when it became my main source of healing! especially given the fact it didn't seem to be eating up my turn undeads. it did save my butt quite a bit this time, but at least it wasn't chain healing me like last time.

back to the items, does melee alacrity stack with blinding speed? i do have a 10% melee alacrity item but i've switched it out as my melee attack speed on the char sheet doesn't change now i have blinding speed. kinda hoping it doesn't stack cos i do love my torc and conc-op

what stance would you use for US? i'm thinking stand against the tide for when the kittens are bouncing about, and unbreakable for the PRR at other times. just a bit loathed to give up on DC as even without the fire dmg it still adds a lot to my DPS. the cleaves still do 400+ on the teiflings and the good dmg and 10% phys dmg on consecrate still works on the other mobs. then there is the purification dmg and i was keeping zeal of the righteousness on cooldown instead of saving it for boss fights (on account of not knowing if i'd make it to a boss fight )

I like DC and US both in the quest, run in whichever one you like. I'll bet once you finish it in one it won't be long till you can finish it in the other.

Glad your having fun - that is what it is all about. Finishing DA on a pure pally is a notable accomplishment - I wish you all the luck and hope you post the accomplishment when you get there.

[Wongar]

wow, love the 60 DR

just got on to the final wave of EE DA. the bearded devils still hit like trucks but a bit of shuffling about to avoid being surrounded let me wear them down to the point a few dropped then my consecration healed me enough to tank the rest. i did have to fight with my devotion stick (forgotten light) though, but that's fine as i still have a lot of work to do on this char.

went down to the first wave in the final part. i thought the orthons were punching through my defences but it turns out it was mostly fire dmg with a horrid wilting to finish me off (after being stunned of course, they don't let you off easy).

so i think i'll work my way over to DI for that energy sheath, that would have left me with a lot more HP to play with.

thanks for the tips so far, looking forward to seeing the build in full.

oh and i wasn't disappointed with how far i got first time, it was more the cheese i didn't like. i'd got to the point where i was getting hammered so much the only thing keeping me alive was eternal defender, and while i like having it for an oops moment it did feel cheesy when it became my main source of healing! especially given the fact it didn't seem to be eating up my turn undeads. it did save my butt quite a bit this time, but at least it wasn't chain healing me like last time.

back to the items, does melee alacrity stack with blinding speed? i do have a 10% melee alacrity item but i've switched it out as my melee attack speed on the char sheet doesn't change now i have blinding speed. kinda hoping it doesn't stack cos i do love my torc and conc-op

what stance would you use for US? i'm thinking stand against the tide for when the kittens are bouncing about, and unbreakable for the PRR at other times. just a bit loathed to give up on DC as even without the fire dmg it still adds a lot to my DPS. the cleaves still do 400+ on the teiflings and the good dmg and 10% phys dmg on consecrate still works on the other mobs. then there is the purification dmg and i was keeping zeal of the righteousness on cooldown instead of saving it for boss fights (on account of not knowing if i'd make it to a boss fight )

Sorry - forgot to answer your questions:

I do not believe melee alacrity stacks with blinding speed, that's why I like Jorgundal's Collar - frees up a feat
I never leave stand against the tide when in US - best stance for almost everything in my opinion - even if I still end up flat on my back all too often...

[ReaperAlexEU]

I like DC and US both in the quest, run in whichever one you like. I'll bet once you finish it in one it won't be long till you can finish it in the other.

Glad your having fun - that is what it is all about. Finishing DA on a pure pally is a notable accomplishment - I wish you all the luck and hope you post the accomplishment when you get there.

Sorry - forgot to answer your questions:

I do not believe melee alacrity stacks with blinding speed, that's why I like Jorgundal's Collar - frees up a feat
I never leave stand against the tide when in US - best stance for almost everything in my opinion - even if I still end up flat on my back all too often...

2 things, Shadow Dragonplate and Cloak of Ice, with those two I only went and frickin' soloed it

thanks so much for the inspiration and pointers, and yes i'm still interested to see your full build as i bet there is a lot more to learn and work in!




naturally with Forgotten Light as my main beat down weapon it took a while, just over an hour:



and for interests sake this is me with Zeal, Divine Favour and Divine Might running:



and my spell power stats:



with my torc and conc-op (may very well be worth a feat, yet another things to debate over before i re-roll!) i was mostly running at full SP until the last fight where i had to be a little careful as the procs just were too few to keep me juiced up. also even though it was a flawless completion i went incap a handful of times, though i did use my LOH most of the time now I know that i'll get a shrine before i run dry. also used the get out of jail free harper pin in the final round