Why are established guilds so hung up on running Epic Normal End Game Raids?

[FranOhmsford]

@FranOmsford
I actually remember running my roomate playing pre-F2P and talking about how they'd do much of the content under level at the hardest difficulties because they got much better rewards. I get the feeling that people wanting to only make the sure shot runs is more a result of F2P and the newer community.

Wow - An attack on F2Pers - 5-6 years after DDO went F2P?

There are some people out there who hark back to the days of under-levelling content BUT you and they are forgetting that there was a reason for all that under-levelling and that reason was that in those days Named Loot was typically MUCH Lower in level than the quests you got it from!

Once you'd levelled to 10/12 or 16 and run some end-game content you were able to transfer your loot to an alt and do so again - only this time you'd run those quests earlier because you had the gear {and far more importantly - knowledge!} to do so!
A Newbie joining GH Elite runs at Lvl 8 or even 10 I'm sure was in for a World of Pain!

Even in those days - I seriously doubt everyone was running under-level and I'd be willing to guess that it was a similarly small minority doing so as Zerging BB TRs OR Permadeathing today!


And remember - DDO was DYING before F2P {this may have a lot of reasons behind it yes but the biggest was player numbers!} Those days are gone for a reason!

The Majority of Players at the time didn't like the game the way it was - So the Devs adjusted things and DDO even now is in a far stronger position than it was back in 2008!

[Manatha]

Wow - An attack on F2Pers - 5-6 years after DDO went F2P?

There are some people out there who hark back to the days of under-levelling content BUT you and they are forgetting that there was a reason for all that under-levelling and that reason was that in those days Named Loot was typically MUCH Lower in level than the quests you got it from!

Once you'd levelled to 10/12 or 16 and run some end-game content you were able to transfer your loot to an alt and do so again - only this time you'd run those quests earlier because you had the gear {and far more importantly - knowledge!} to do so!
A Newbie joining GH Elite runs at Lvl 8 or even 10 I'm sure was in for a World of Pain!

Even in those days - I seriously doubt everyone was running under-level and I'd be willing to guess that it was a similarly small minority doing so as Zerging BB TRs OR Permadeathing today!


And remember - DDO was DYING before F2P {this may have a lot of reasons behind it yes but the biggest was player numbers!} Those days are gone for a reason!

The Majority of Players at the time didn't like the game the way it was - So the Devs adjusted things and DDO even now is in a far stronger position than it was back in 2008!

A few details for this. One, they were running under level because....

The content was easier.

I know for a fact up till a point (even after F2P hit) that up to a point I COULD get away with running a rogue with 10 con, and not have an issue. I was still around mid levels when the patch that suddenly buffed traps and everything else to the point that it was a horrible idea to run said 10 con rogue in elites.

Also, they were running them earlier on harder difficulties because...... they got more xp for it. I believe that bonus went away when F2P hit. But the point stands, there was a bonus for doing the quests UNDER level, not just for sticking to the min/level of the quest and doing BB.

The current 'sure shot only' has nothing to do with people running things under-level for the quest they're in. I remember my roomate talking about the under level runs as well as them nerfing certain popular quests because they were focused on so much by the player base.