Build Request: Rogue Assassin

[gsteele96]

Hey guys, I am looking for a rogue assassin build that can handle EE maybe even solo them. I want to be able to stand against a mob without dying instantly or waiting on another party member to obtain agro. Max int obviously. Some things to consider: I am almost a triple Completionist and will already have all 39 past life feats along with all 12 iconic past life feats. No Epic TR's yet but will start on those after I find a good rogue build to play with. I want pure 20 only with some pre planned gear options to give me a good chance to take aggro from mobs, Thank you

[Mercureal]

Not to be a jerk, but as a multi-completionist, shouldn't you have a good idea of how to build and gear something that would meet your requirements?

[nokowi]

Hey guys, I am looking for a rogue assassin build that can handle EE maybe even solo them. I want to be able to stand against a mob without dying instantly or waiting on another party member to obtain agro. Max int obviously. Some things to consider: I am almost a triple Completionist and will already have all 39 past life feats along with all 12 iconic past life feats. No Epic TR's yet but will start on those after I find a good rogue build to play with. I want pure 20 only with some pre planned gear options to give me a good chance to take aggro from mobs, Thank you

A MaxInt build usually (assassinate) means that you dont want aggro to maximize your damage potential. You can't sneak and assassinate if a mob is attacking you. On EE assassinate is most of your damage output.

What server are you on?
Do you want to melee or use repeating crossbow?

I'm on Sarlona. I have done about 50 assassin lives and would be glad to chat/quest if you're on Sarlona.
Survivability means
1) intelligent gameplay
2) max dodge (27%)
3) several shroud displacement items for bosses (50% miss)
4) max PRR (~100 for a rogue)
5) good saves (mid 40's for Will/Fort, 70's for Reflex)
AC (~110) doesn't really do anything for EE's, although it can be useful in the Epic TR grind.

I will post my human (DC 72) and drow (DC 74) build with my actual gear along with some options later today.

I also plan on making/posting some assassin gameplay videos once I get my last 3 iconics done.


Nokowi - Completionist and 3x Epic Completionist (72 lives and counting)

[Ryan220]

Not to be a jerk, but as a multi-completionist, shouldn't you have a good idea of how to build and gear something that would meet your requirements?

I have to admit I was wondering exactly the same to be honest.

Google Rogue build DDO and you'll get the current crop of Rogue assassin builds that are floating around - iirc Hassans, Melkoors, Stoners and perhaps one other ( my apols but I forget it)

[JOTMON]

Not to be a jerk, but as a multi-completionist, shouldn't you have a good idea of how to build and gear something that would meet your requirements?

LOL, This is what I thought as well..
With this many life completions you should be giving advice not asking for it...
39 heroic past lives and 12 Iconic lives should have given you enough play experience to have a well rounded experience with the game.
I am left wondering what XP stones/rinse repeat has reduced players to.

Although to be fair,.. no Epic reincarnations...I did get the impression that there is not much epic game play here, and Epics do play a lot different than heroics.

[nokowi]

Hey guys, I am looking for a rogue assassin build that can handle EE maybe even solo them. I want to be able to stand against a mob without dying instantly or waiting on another party member to obtain agro. Max int obviously. Some things to consider: I am almost a triple Completionist and will already have all 39 past life feats along with all 12 iconic past life feats. No Epic TR's yet but will start on those after I find a good rogue build to play with. I want pure 20 only with some pre planned gear options to give me a good chance to take aggro from mobs, Thank you

Update 21 Human Build

Human Rogue Build (36 pt build)
Str 10 2 pt
Dex 13 5 pt
Con 17 13 pt
Int 18 16 pt
Wis 8 0 pt
Cha 8 0 pt

Assassinate DC 72
Base 10
20 Rogue Level 20
Int Modifier 27
Stealthy Destiny 6
Measure the Foe 5
Dark Diversion 4

(sorry about the spacing...)

Ability Stats
Mod Base Tome Ability Item Insight Except AP Destiny Feat Ship
Str 30 +10 10 5 8 2 1 2 2
Dex 36 +13 13 5 11 2 1 2 2
Con 40 +15 17 5 10 3 1 2 2
Int 64 +27 18 5 7 11 3 1 7 6 4 2
Wis 26 +8 8 5 8 1 2 2
Cha 26 +8 8 5 1 2 2

Saves
Base Ability Item Alchem Destiny Luck Insight PLStance Sacred GH
Fort 52 10 15 10 1 2 2 4 3 1 4
Reflex 73 16 27 11 1 4 2 4 3 1 4
Will 45 10 8 10 1 2 2 4 3 1 4

HP 989
Heroic Dur 25
Imp Heroic 20
Rogue 120
Epic 80
Item 40
GS 45
Draconic 10
Vitality 20
Feat 80
Con 420
Barb x3 30
Epic PL 99

Miss Chances

Dodge 27% (needs +2% guild ship bonus, otherwise 25% max)
Item 8%
Rogue 6%
Past Life (Shadar Kai) 3%
Feat Dodge 3%
Shadow Charges 7%

PRR 81 (36% reduction in dmg)
Item (bracers) 30
Past Lives 36
Item (planar conflux) 15

Blur/Disp 20/50%
Incorporeal 25%
Elusive Target 5%

(0.73) dodge x (0.80) blur x (0.64) PRR x (0.75) incoporeal x (0.95) elusive target = 27% of incoming damage with perma-blur
(0.73) dodge x (0.50) displacement x (0.64) PRR x (0.75) incoporeal x (0.95) elusive target = 17% of incoming damage with displacement clickies


AC 108
Base 10
Armor 22 (with +1 alchemical stone of change)
Dex 14
Insight 4
Natural 10
Protect 8
Past Lives 36
Destiny Lithex2 4

Fortification 185% (130 armor + 40 twist + 15 Past life)

Heroic Feats
1 Insightful Reflexes
1 Precision
3 Completionist (pick magical training if you are not completionist - you need the spell points to use cocoon)
6 TWF
9 Toughness
12 ITWF
15 GTWF
18 Dodge or Improved Critical if you need it (you don't have keen weapons). Magical training is also an option for completionist.

Epic Feats
21 Epic Toughness (+50 HP)
24 +1 Int
26 Perfect TWF (Primal 2 Capped)
27 +1 Int
28 Elusive Target (Martial 1 Capped)

Heroic Enhancements
Assassin (39 pts)
6 Assassin Core Abilities (6)
Tier 1: Sneak Attack Training (2)
Tier 1: Shiv x3 (3)
Tier 1: Stealthyx3 (3)
Tier 2: Sneak Attack Training (2)
Tier 2: Bleed Them Out x3 (3)
Tier 3: Sneak Attack Training (2)
Tier 3: +1 Intelligence (2)
Tier 4: +1 Intelligence (2)
Tier 4: Sneak Attack Training (2)
Tier 4: Killer x3 (3)
Tier 4: Critical Damage x3 (3)
Tier 4: Execute (2)
Tier 5: Assassinate (1)
Tier 5: Measure the Foe (3)
Mechanic (22 Pts)
3 Core Abilities (3)
Tier 1: Mechanic x3 (3)
Tier 1: Awareness x3 (3)
Tier 2: Wand Mastery x3 (6)
Tier 3: +1 Intelligence (2)
Tier 3: +3 UMD (3)
Tier 4: +1 Intelligence (2)
Thief Acrobat (16 pts)
1 Core Ability (1)
Tier 1: Faster Sneaking x3 (3)
Tier 1: Sly Flourishx3 (3)
Tier 2: Subtlety x3 (3)
Tier 2: Haste Boost x3 (6)
Human (3 Pts)
Core Ability (1) Damage Boost
Core Ability (2) Human Adaptability +1 Int

Human Improved Healing is an option. Reduce Stealthy (bonus to Hide/MoveSilent) or Sly Flourish.

Melee attacks cycle through Shiv, Bleed Them Out, Sly Flourish, Shrouding Strike, Execute which gives you x3 strikes that reduce threat.
Use 30% Haste Boost and 20% Damage Boost when needed.
I rarely use (core ability) Assassin's Trick due to the delay in attacking.
I find I can attack mobs for which I don't have aggro so I rarely use Bluff (It also has a time delay).


Epic Destiny
Tier 1: Stealthy x3
Tier 1: +1 Int
Tier 2: Lithe x2
Tier 2: +1 Int
Tier 3: Grim Precision x2
Tier 3: +1 Int
Tier 3: Shrouding Strike x3
Tier 4: Improved Invisibility x1
Tier 4: +1 Int
Tier 5: Untouchable
Tier 5: +1 Int
Tier 6: Shadowform
Tier 6: +1 Int

Twist: Tier 4 GMOF (grim precision: bypass 10% fort and weaps gain ghost touch, TS vs concealment)
Twist: Tier 3 Draconic (Intelligence +1)
Twist: Tier 2 UnyieldSent (brace: +2 to all saves, +40% fortification)
Twist: Tier 1 PrimAv (rejuvination cocoon)

Equipment
Shadowscale Armor (AC 21, +11, MaxDex 19, Deathblock, Fortification 130, Ghostly, Blue: Armored Agility +2, From the Shadows, +2d6 Sneak Attack, +1 Profane Reflex, Green: Topaz of Power 250)
Helm Dragon Masque (Deception, Insightful SA +6, Deadly XI Shadow Spike, Yellow: Feather Falling, Colorless: Insight Dex +2)
Ring Intelligence +11, Resistance +10
Necklace Dark Diversion (Occultation, Assassinate +4, Hide/Move Silently +20, Colorless: Insightful Str +2, Green: Proof Against Poison +10)
Ring Ring of Deceit (Voice of Deceit, Cha +8, Improved Deception, Yellow: Vitality +20, Colorless: Globe of True Imperial Blood)
Eyes EE Field Optics (+3 Insight Int, TS, Search +20, Green: Protection +8, Yellow: Blindness Immunity)
Bracer Dumathoin’s Bracers (Natural Armor +10, Elemental Resistance 45, Sheltering 30, Dex +11, Blue: Golems Heart )
Belt Con 10 Seeker 10
Feet Goatskin Boots (Speed XV, Str +8, Green: False Life +40 Colorless: Wis +8)
Gloves x3 PermaBlur (20%), Displacement Clicky, +45 HP
Trinket Planar Focus fo Prowess (+3 Insight Con, +4 Artifact att/dmg, +15 Artifact PRR)
Cloak Epic Cloak of Night (DR 10/good, Invis Guard, Deathblock, Ghostly, Nightmare Guard, Dodge 6%)
Cloak Adamantine Cloak of the Wolf (Exceptional Seeker +5, Dodge 8%, Attack +4, Diversion 20%)

I use the Manual of Stealthy Pilfering (trinket) from Haunted Halls of Eveningstar if I ever need better trapping skills.

I am doing Iconic TR's right now, so I had to view my items and add the numbers myself. I'm not sure if the +5 seeker cloak or DR 10 cloak is better.

If you want to survive EE content, focus on how you are going to max your dodge. Light armor has a max dodge of 19%, and 21% with a blue Augment. 2 Ranks in lithe increases this to 25% (the normal max for light armor). If your guild is high enough level, you can get an extra +2% maxdodge, for a total of 27% dodge.
With this gear, your base dodge is 20%, but you will quickly get 7 shadow charges and run around with 27% dodge (if high guild level, otherwise 25%).
Shadowform gives you 25% incoporeal.

Note that I used one of my twists to twist in tier 3 Int, which gave me 2 extra points to spend in shadowdancer, which allowed this maximum dodge.

I use Balizarde from 23 on in primary or offhand for the save/dodge bonuses and the planar conflux set bonus.
Get Celestia for undead mobs and make a Thunderforged weapon when you get to lvl 26.

OPTIONS:
Shadow Manipulation is fun for solo work, but the reset is slow (2 mins) and not very usable in groups (they tend to get aggro before you can use it)
Consume looks fun but is still bugged as far as I know.


Get a good set of level 25 gear. Here is my stuff for level 25 that uses similar slots to my level 28 gear:
Flawless Black Dragonhide Armor (Blue: Armored Agility +2)
Helm of Black Dragon (+3 insight con, Yellow: Feather Falling, Green: Natural Armor +7 )
Planar Focus Subterfuge (+3 Dex, +5 hit SA +8 dmg SA, set +3% dodge)
EE Field Optics (+3 Insight Int, TS, Search +20, Green: Protection +7, Yellow: Blindness Immunity)
GS Bracers (Radiance Guard)
Gloves x3 PermaBlur (20%), Displacement Clicky, +45 HP
Ring of Stormreaver Prophecy (+8 Wis, Heavy Fort, Vitality +20) (oops, i have vitality 2x)
Ring of Deceit (Voice of Deceit, Cha +8, Improved Deception, Yellow: Vitality +20, Colorless: Globe of True Imperial Blood)
Random loot boots: Dex +6 Speed VI (30%) Yellow: Str +7 Colorless: Master's Gift)
Cloak of Night Lvl 24
Amulet Resistance 7 + Intelligence 8

Level 20
Ring of the Stalker
Guardians Ring (Yellow: Cha +6)
Epic Spare Hand
Epic Duelists Armor (Blue: Armored Agility +2)
Tinker's Goggles
GS Bracers (Radiance Guard)
Gloves x3 PermaBlur (20%), Displacement Clicky, +45 HP
Deadly Amulet of Resistance
Epic Chimeras Crown (Str +6, Dex +6)
Cannith Boots of Propulsion (I dont have the 30% striding quiver from abbot)
Epic Midnight Greetings x2 (+2 to assassinate DC)
Voice of the master ( I haven't bothered to make another +5% XP augment)
Cloak of Night Level 20

The spyglass from cove, and the pale lavender (50 spell absorption) ioun stone are also very handy.

EDIT: New Players
If you don't have destiny yet, I would start in Primal Avatar to get Rejuvination Cocoon. If you don't have any spell points (from past lives or item), Shiradi is another option to get Healing Spring. Work your way to Shadowdancer as you get destiny.

Once you have 1 Fate Point (you get them as you complete epic destiny) and once you get Shadowdancer destiny, you can twist in Stealthy (+6 assassinate DC) while you earn non Shadowdancer destiny. Once you get 3 Fate points, you will twist in Stealthy and Rejuvination Cocoon. I found the Divine Past Life ability to have free healing over time, and the +1 to weapon from Arcane to be the most useful. This means you get 6.6 million karma by running in a divine destiny to epic TR and get a divine past life ability. Your karma then drops to 0 in divine, and you can level it back up to 6.6 mil if you want a second divine epic past life. The good news is most destinies work well for an assassin, as long as you can twist in cocoon and stealthy. Many of them give you spell points, so you might be able to skip magical training as you do lives in these destinies.



You can have a past life stance from each sphere going at the same time, and there are 3 stances per sphere to choose from. I usually run with
1) +3 base weapon damage
2) +3 to saves --> switch to +3 to all skills when needed
3) Healing over time --> Colors of the Queen is great if you don't need healing (easier content)
4) +9% melee doublestrike --> switch to 9% ranged doublestrike when using light repeating crossbow

You also will have precision stance running, and you can earn the Shadar Kai Iconic Stance (if you do iconic lives) as well.

As for gear, getting an epic midnight greetings (keen weapon with +2 to assassinate) is your first task. Run the Bargain of Blood chain (starts in house D) until you get the shard, seal and scroll. The Crystal Cove has some good armor (epic duelists) and items (epic spyglass). Complete Eye of the Titan (Inspired Quarter), and then go to the IQ island and run that chain until you get a pale lavender ioun stone. It takes many runs to upgrade this item (collecting chain items), but it is well worth it.

A greensteel radiance weapon is still an option if you don't have any thing better (web weapon or epic midnight greetings). A fully upgraded Thunder Forged weapon will eventually be your primary weapon (min level 28), with Balizarde in the offhand.

DROW BUILD

Drow Rogue Build (32 pt build)
Str 8 0 pt
Dex 13 3 pt
Con 15 13 pt
Int 20 16 pt
Wis 8 0 pt
Cha 10 0 pt

It takes 5 build points for +2 Int, +2 Spell Resistance (2 extra build points over human)
Drop 2 build points from Stealthy or Sly Flourish.
Drop Toughness (Drow get 1 less feat than human)
Drop Epic Toughness, replace with +1 Int

HP 881
Int 68
DC 74 Assassinate


-Nokowi

[Carodwen]

I have to admit I was wondering exactly the same to be honest.

Google Rogue build DDO and you'll get the current crop of Rogue assassin builds that are floating around - iirc Hassans, Melkoors, Stoners and perhaps one other ( my apols but I forget it)

LOL, This is what I thought as well..
With this many life completions you should be giving advice not asking for it...
39 heroic past lives and 12 Iconic lives should have given you enough play experience to have a well rounded experience with the game.
I am left wondering what XP stones/rinse repeat has reduced players to.

Although to be fair,.. no Epic reincarnations...I did get the impression that there is not much epic game play here, and Epics do play a lot different than heroics.

Not to be a jerk, but as a multi-completionist, shouldn't you have a good idea of how to build and gear something that would meet your requirements?

Not one good build page pulled up on google, (trust me this was the first topic on the search. Truly useless) but this ignorant comment did in this almost useless thread. At least one person had enough gall to contribute something worthwhile to the thread.

Maybe the person wanted ideas from others see if they could come up with something epic that maybe he wouldn't have thought of. Aside from the one person that did contribute ideas, everyone else just berated the guy. Tells me they had nothing useful to contribute.

Sheesh. When will gamers learn decency.

[Mercureal]

Not one good build page pulled up on google, (trust me this was the first topic on the search. Truly useless) but this ignorant comment did in this almost useless thread. At least one person had enough gall to contribute something worthwhile to the thread.

Maybe the person wanted ideas from others see if they could come up with something epic that maybe he wouldn't have thought of. Aside from the one person that did contribute ideas, everyone else just berated the guy. Tells me they had nothing useful to contribute.

Sheesh. When will gamers learn decency.

A fair comment - in some cases, but a little misplaced in this one, I think (note to the OP, if by any chance you're reading any of this, I'm going to be referring to you in the third person, sorry about that).

None of the posts you quoted were particularly rude or berating in tone.

In regards to my own comment, I'm happy to offer advice to people in the game but I prefer it to be useful and targeted advice, and I don't like to just post a fully-formed template build (not that I'm the target audience, I'm not really a "solo EE" sort of player). And builds aren't just class choices and point allocation, they involve gear, game knowledge, and play style. The OP didn't really have any detail, to offer what I would see as useful advice, I'd like to know things like:


- Does he (using gender only for convenience and flow) have any experience with Epic, or only heroic?
- Does he have access to Epic Destinies? Has he unlocked any of them?
- Does he have experience soloing, and soloing as a rogue? Is soloing a focus, or just something he wants to have the ability to do if necessary?
- What gear does he already have? How much time and effort is he willing to spend getting the ideal gear set?

Etc. My post was a bit of a reaction to his, and a way of seeing if he was willing to engage and put in a bit of effort, rather than just stating what he wants and waiting to get it. Given the fairly limited response to the thread (as compared to many other threads looking for build help), I'd wager most people who looked at it had similar feelings.

[gsteele96]

Thanks Nokowi! that gave me ideas to branch off of..... The rest of you are rude. This is why our game is going downhill because people who don't know the game you slap them down. Build them up before new players stop coming in because of your rudeness.

[nokowi]

Thanks Nokowi! that gave me ideas to branch off of..... The rest of you are rude. This is why our game is going downhill because people who don't know the game you slap them down. Build them up before new players stop coming in because of your rudeness.

Ryan220 did mention a few other builds that you can search for. They are all pretty similar, although some of them waste points on trapping or don't include the latest gear. You will be able to do every trap in the game without skill boost, and without +1 to all skills (rogue 10,13,16,19) so don't waste any build on skill boosts or trapping feats. Your Will/Fort saves are super important for EE content.

Build your ultimate gear around the ftp/totd gear (head: dragon masque, bracers: dumathoins bracers, necklace: dark diversion). On random loot items get:

resistance 10
intelligence 11 (or use gloves of master illusionist)
con 10
seeker 10

wherever you can and then fill in the rest of your gear. I managed to do all of this in 2 items, which is better than most of the posted builds. Most people don't have an Int 11 Resist 10 ring. Gloves of the master illusionist are your only Int 11 named loot option, so you might have your gs blur/displacement items in a different location than me. Random loot Int 11 items do exist, so keep searching the AH if you have the shards to get one. It is important to decide your blur/displace location because that will likely be reused for level 20, 25 and 28 gear.

I gear up at 20, switch at 25, and then I have level 28 gear. I don't do any other gear switches.

-Nokowi

[Ryan220]

Gsteele96, Carodwen

Re read my post -

I listed the three main Rogue builds that are currently in circulation right now.

Im currently running a Rogue based on Hassans Assassin - I Googled it and guess what.......

If you cant be bothered to Google them then thats your problem, not mine.



Finally, when someone who claims to be a triple completionist asks for a build it is reasonable to assume that after 30+ lives they would either have a good idea already or at least with that amount of experience in DDO know how to search for one.


Im sure the comments were meant tongue in cheek with a little humour, but by getting on your high horse about it and making silly accusations seems a little over dramatic to me

[JOTMON]

Not one good build page pulled up on google, (trust me this was the first topic on the search. Truly useless) but this ignorant comment did in this almost useless thread. At least one person had enough gall to contribute something worthwhile to the thread.

Maybe the person wanted ideas from others see if they could come up with something epic that maybe he wouldn't have thought of. Aside from the one person that did contribute ideas, everyone else just berated the guy. Tells me they had nothing useful to contribute.

Sheesh. When will gamers learn decency.

Well, I apologize if I came across as rude.. I was just dumbfounded that you have already accomplished 39 heroic past lives and 12 Iconic lives and could not find a rogue build let alone build one from scratch yourself.
That many TR lives should have imbued you with a lot of insightful gaming experience.

Nokiwi detailed out some builds in your post

a quick forum search..

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...san-s-Assassin

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...fling-Assassin

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...nt-based-build


Any of these should give you a pretty good insight into a decent rogue assassin build.