Warchanter Changes

[songswrath]

This post number 175 has it nailed what a war chanter is to players that play them. Not just random thoughts from players not may or may not have even rolled up a bard let alone a chanter. take if from a die hard player looking for the rebirth of the class. Yes it is dead, and sure lot of bards about right now but in a week or two they will tr back to their blade f. centered fighters :P. nobody is asking for bards to be king dps but we are asking that they don't suck. We are asking that thier dps be on par with other melees with support/buffs. Take this from a player that loves what war chanters once where. i don't post often cause my typing skills are well not good >< but thoughts on where this great post left off

Barbaric Spirit: Your Skaldic Rage now counts as Barbarian Rage for all Barbarian Enhancement tree ability that require Raging. < Yes yes and more yes it not stacking like asked for in passed posts but this is win
like to see full bab someone where and not higher than needing 12 bard lvls even as a tier 4 or 5 pick would be ok as most players will be doing 16/2/2 ,15/3/2 or 12/6/2 splits. Split class building is what makes ddo better than other online mmo's don't pigeon hole us in pure if we don't want it

Inspired Bravery: make the Saves just +1 to all saves
Tier Three

Ironskin Chant: Your chanting aura now Grants DR 2/4/6/- 10/16/24 PRR and 10/16/24 MRR to all nearby allies (uses aura mechanic for duration/persistence) Second tier (4DR and 16 PRR and MRR requires Bard level 6 third tier 6DR 24 MRR/PRR requires Bard level 12) < spot on but it should stack as many classes trees already get some d/r and in no way is +6 d/r op ask the dude that just took a great club from a giant to the face for 300+ damage

Tier 4
Frozen Cleave: moved from T5: 180 degree cleave 30% chance to freeze anyone you hit (subject to Frozen Fury improved more scaling DC), +1/3/5[W] Much Shorter cooldown than when it was T5 (15 ish seconds) all i have to say


Tier Five


Avalanche: every 190/120/90 seconds You may call down the very mountains themselves to knock down and confound your enemies (Earthquake spell reskinned and on a long cool down): uses sonic power and crit, give it the visuals of ice storm plus some fog and the rumble effect of EQ
Howl of the North: +1 critical damage multiplier on scratchout/rolls of 19-20/scratchout ALL CRITS requires Bard level 15.
CUT: Return to Battle: Raise Dead SLA. Costs 1 Song. CUT THIS a bard gets UMD this isn't a good T3 let alone T5
Your Long March aura (chant) now heals instead of giving temporary HP's subject to positive crit chance and spell power (should be balanced to be significantly less powerful than Radiant Servant Aura, or similar to lesser death aura for a PM, in other words it should "top up" but not be a source of main healing)


if by scratchout you meaning any crt no matter what die is= times 1 this is win 19-20 is meh

Avalanche: every 190/120/90 second i love this i would like to see a bit lower cool down tho 90 sec is still a long time like to see it more like 200/125/75 higher on the low side but worth it for ppl that point points into it. Make it happen looking silly running around with the name "songswrath" not a bard :P even tho done 40+ none bad lifes/builds on that toon

[mezzorco]

like to see full bab someone where and not higher than needing 12 bard lvls even as a tier 4 or 5 pick would be ok as most players will be doing 16/2/2 ,15/3/2 or 12/6/2 splits. Split class building is what makes ddo better than other online mmo's don't pigeon hole us in pure if we don't want it

I disagree.
Nobody is forcing you to go pure if you don't want. 16/2/2 split gives so many things to bard with almost no sacrifices.
If you want to go the easy route (i.e. multiclass), you must sacrifice something for what you get.

Example given: a 16/2ftr/2rog gains evasion, two feats, trap skills, cheap haste boost while retaining everything.
Asking for full BAB is too much. They should rather give pure bards something even more appealing, because right now there's no comparison between a multiclass bard and a gimpy pure warchanter.

[cru121]

New ideas:
Victory Song: Adds to Inspire Courage: You and all affected allies gain full BAB.
Howl of the North: Adds to Inspire Courage: You and all affected allies gain +1 crit multiplier on 19-20.

Hardly gamebreaking. But worth the investment probably.

[Alisonique]

I like my warchanter but the Ironskin Chant just runs out of steam soo early in the game.
How about making it so that
lv 1 of ironskin gives 1 DR per 3 levels of bard
lv2 gives 1 DR per 2 levels of bard and.....no prizes for this
lv3 gives 1DR per level of bard

at lv 20 thats 20 DR, not exactly game breaking with blows raining in for hundreds of points
and at lv 30 (come the glorious day ) maybe giving bards 3 points of DR per lv of bard? With some of the blows that we know about at lv 28 that might just make bard Ironskin chant of some value still.
my 2d

[Dilbon]

Asking for full BAB is too much. They should rather give pure bards something even more appealing, because right now there's no comparison between a multiclass bard and a gimpy pure warchanter.

Capstones in general should be OP.

[CrackedIce]

The ability for skaldic rage to power barbarian rage powers is an awesome addition.

I am assuming things like furious rage, critical rage, and focused wrath are included

Just some questions regarding this. How far does this go? Will the following affect skaldic rage power:

hardy rage, extra rage, power rage, extend rage..etc

Thanks.

[elvesunited]

The tier 5 stuff looks Amazing. The Frozen Cleave may put a lot of melee classes out of business and seriously? A Bard with a 10k cure all 3/rest? Poor Paladins......

It's a 360 degree cleave. It's usefulness is entirely dependent on the animation. A slow animation and you'll be sacrificing DPS to use it. As for the Frozen effect. They'll need a decent DC for it or most enemies at epic levels will only be effected 5% of the time. (auto-fail)

[9001]

I like my warchanter but the Ironskin Chant just runs out of steam soo early in the game.
How about making it so that
lv 1 of ironskin gives 1 DR per 3 levels of bard
lv2 gives 1 DR per 2 levels of bard and.....no prizes for this
lv3 gives 1DR per level of bard

at lv 20 thats 20 DR, not exactly game breaking with blows raining in for hundreds of points
and at lv 30 (come the glorious day ) maybe giving bards 3 points of DR per lv of bard? With some of the blows that we know about at lv 28 that might just make bard Ironskin chant of some value still.
my 2d

Have I been out of the loop too long or would 20 dr be the highest attainable source (not counting short buffs) out there?

[songswrath]

I may have missed it, but any word on when we can see new trees?

[mezzorco]

I may have missed it, but any word on when we can see new trees?

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5370671

They're likely to introduce new trees in Lamannia soon.

[songswrath]

The ability for skaldic rage to power barbarian rage powers is an awesome addition.

I am assuming things like furious rage, critical rage, and focused wrath are included

Just some questions regarding this. How far does this go? Will the following affect skaldic rage power:

hardy rage, extra rage, power rage, extend rage..etc

Thanks.

crossing fingers and toes this is what many of us have asked for

[Tilomere]

We're explicitly not looking to strengthen the Barbarian-Warchanter connection. We're not looking to remove what Warchanters currently get, but we're not trying to force Warchanters to take Barbarian levels to feel optimal (nor vice-versa).

Currently, a lot of barb-bard synergy is bugged. See picture.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5360796

[HatsuharuZ]

Now that I think about it, there is a lot of synergy between rogues and monks with Henshin Mystic and Rogue Acrobat.

Why not give some synergy between barbarians and bard warchanters, too?

Also, there is a lot of synergy between the fighters' Kensai tree and monks.

[Scrabbler]

Now that I think about it, there is a lot of synergy between rogues and monks with Henshin Mystic and Rogue Acrobat.

That's simply because they messed up and didn't put 15% staff speed into Henshin t1 Mystic Training.

Why not give some synergy between barbarians and bard warchanters, too?

Also, there is a lot of synergy between the fighters' Kensai tree and monks.

That's the reason. They screwed up and accidentally gave Kensei about eight times as much Monk synergy as it should have, so that even for strictly offensive purposes a Fighter/Monk is better with melee weapons than a pure Fighter (before even including Evasion and other defenses).

Now they're scared that might happen again with Warchanter+Barbarian, so they're being extra-cautious and not adding any synergy; not even enough to counteract the anti-synergy between Barb Rage and Bard spellcasting (which makes Bard-Barb worse than Bard-Fighter, Bard-Ranger, or other warrior mixes you could name). Seriously they shouldn't be afraid like this: as long as they don't duplicate the silly mistake of putting Monk stances on general feats trainable in non-Monk levels, that problem won't recur.

[mezzorco]

Lamannia Update 22 Patch 2 (Warchanter and Spellsinger):
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ated-7-6-14%29

[Seikojin]

From the release notes:
•Tier 5 Spinning Ice: Attack all enemies around you with +2/3/4[W] damage. Each enemy is frozen solid if they fail a Fortitude save (14/16/18 + Charisma modifier + Bard level), for a number of seconds equal to your half your Bard level.

I hope it counts as a cleave. It would be nice for bards who want LD to have a tactical cleave to twist in lay waste.

[mezzorco]

From the release notes:
•Tier 5 Spinning Ice: Attack all enemies around you with +2/3/4[W] damage. Each enemy is frozen solid if they fail a Fortitude save (14/16/18 + Charisma modifier + Bard level), for a number of seconds equal to your half your Bard level.

I hope it counts as a cleave. It would be nice for bards who want LD to have a tactical cleave to twist in lay waste.

I wonder if Frozen Fury, Northwind and Spinning Ice DCs can be increased by other means.
For example, do Fatesinger caster levels count or it is bard class level?
There was a suggestion about letting tactical DC boosters count, has it been discarded?


(Anyway, pretty good work. I pretty much appreciated the unique T5 buff for warchanters, the 3 min duration of Warmaster and the raise in DC and duration of Frozen Fury, plus the sonic dot on the spellsinger side)

[Shinjiteru]

Not sure if new feedback to the release notes of lammania are wanted in this thread or better somewhere else.

Looks promising so far, but I have a stacking question:

Does the capstone +5 damage and 10 prr stack with the + damage of inspire courage and the prr of ironskin chant? Because I think it's important that the capstone is stacking with the other songs of the bard otherwise it's useless, even with the nice 3 min duration now. (I think 3 min are perfectly fine)

[songswrath]

You have got to be joking AP cost is way way to high. lots of nice stuff but come on 80 points don't even unlock the full tree a well built main tree 35-40 points also just drop kingly is **** no matter how you look at it. look into lowering cost of some of the two point picks

[whereispowderedsilve]

You have got to be joking AP cost is way way to high. lots of nice stuff but come on 80 points don't even unlock the full tree a well built main tree 35-40 points also just drop kingly is **** no matter how you look at it. look into lowering cost of some of the two point picks

What he said. AP are always to tight, always! !